Election poll....
General Talk
220 is already crazy for an electric bill, 600 is just...I don't even know what to say about that. For a wasteful 3 person dutch family living in a big house with 3 TV's/Computers, dishwasher, leaving light on way too much and heating + open windows they might need 200 euro's/month. Now I don't even worry about my electricity bill and I pay like 50 euro's/month.I even looked up some statistics because your prices were so outrageous, I was thinking I might be an anomaly or something. Over 2011 the average dutch household paid 166 euro's/month in electricity/heating. These are people that have multiple TV's and computers in a cold country. We have many "environmental" taxes on heating and electricity, so I don't see how it could possibly be cheaper then in the USA.Rent is just expensive here, 600 minimum. I've seen some single rooms being rented off (often with stupid demands like "females only" and "no pets"; women seem to think all men are dogs, and they hate dogs) for 500/month. There's a big difference here between living in the central part of Amsterdam and further away. Most big cities here have 2 bedroom appartments for 700-800/month. If you go live in the smaller cities you often pay only 600-700, which is easily shared with another person for an effective rent of 300-350. If you share a home with 4 people, then how on earth do you manage to pay 800/month? That's like a 4k/month rent.The idea that "everyone can have a cosy home to call his own" is impossible to realize. Everyone needs housing, demand drives prices up. In the Netherlands subsidized housing drives the price up even more, along with the fact that you don't have to work if you act like you can't so alot of people try to move here, driving housing prices up even more. Very few people below the age of 30 have a home, most of them rent a room or share and they have no trouble spending money on junk they don't need like beer. 1 guy I remember in particular (the dude was more frugal then me lol) had saved like 25k once he finished school. Most people have that much debt here from education.The western world is just too used to living in luxury. Since the whole Euro thing Eastern Europeans (Polish, etc) have come here to live and work. Many of them rent overpriced appartments from private owners since they are refused for any normal rentals so 5-6 of them have to live in a 2 bedroom appartment. Those people are having a blast and are drinking cheap beer while talking and argueing when off from work. I should learn Polish because maybe they're just complaining to each other about how hard life is. It doesn't appear like that from their demeanor but hey you never know.And mainstream artists making millions is just supply/demand. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy CD's or to tune in to the radio/MTV. If everyone was like me and never put that shit on (Only honest metal and underground hip hop here...) they wouldn't make a penny. Who cares? It doesn't affect you. On the other hand, taxation does affect you.Acting like I'm being outrageous and would hate you for voting Obama is just silly. I don't even live there, and you could vote whatever you want using whatever messed up feminist theories to justify it even if I did because I have been argueing from the beginning that it doesn't matter who you vote. They're both the bad kind of politicians, and Ron Paul is out of the running. Once prices go up along with taxation you will find someone to blame (evil republicans not letting Obama fix things, Lady gaga stealing your lunch or the rich in general), while when there truly is something that could've been done to possibly fix it, all the poor Americans just sat at home saying to themselves "Wow, I got to pay for my own stuff? This Ron Paul dude is crazy, I'm voting Obama because he will give me free shit and tax the rich".It is impossible due to the very nature of taxes, 1/3 of European wages is paid in taxes to make sure the other 2/3s continue to pay their taxes. The extra taxes are costs included in the prices of services and goods, driving them up. In the end you have less purchasing power, due to 1/3 of the population leeching off the rest.And abortions up to term are beyond fucked up. There's some limit here, I'm not sure exactly how far along but it's way lower then in the USA. I've seen some pretty horrifying things on documentaries about abortions in the USA, like tiny decapitated baby corpses.