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Zhuangzi interpretations?

Bird
@bird
7 years ago
74 posts
"A way is made by walking it."I am writing a philosophy paper about daoism (Zhuangzi in particular), and this quote of his is the jumping off point/prompt.If anyone has any thoughts or questions in regard to this quote, it may help swirl my brain juices around.A large part of daoism is that giving a name to something/ putting words forth in attempt at knowledge limits the knowledge you can actually take from it. wuwei= non action... not doing anything to see the ends to your means?thoughts?
updated by @bird: 02/14/15 03:37:19AM
Cody Pitt
@cody-pitt
7 years ago
105 posts
Don't know if I can help but I have studied taoism through kung fu training. I had to read Lau Tse interpretations on the Tao Te Ching or The Way. It is a very interesting philosophy. But no way you can truely live the life of a taoist in this time and age. You are right it is practiced through non action but also being neutral. You can't be too passive but you can't be too interfering or aggressive. If I am not making any sense it's because I have not studied this for a long time. "A way is made by walking it" I think he is referring to way as The Way. To understand The Way you must walk it or live by it. The Way was created by Mother. Mother is the creator of everything. Also it could mean we choose are own path. We are guided by our choices down a path making it our way. Or as simple as a way is created just by walking. Like you making a way in the forest by walking off the trail. Anyways heres some thoughts for you. Like I have said I haven't been studying it for a long time so I might not be very helpful.
Bird
@bird
7 years ago
74 posts
Thanks for responding!!In this particular case i don't think he is referring to THE Way as in "Dao" because of the context of the quote... but that is how i first interpreted it as well.This is more in the context of Zhuangzi, too.. not Laozi (i totally recommend reading Zhuangzi if you haven't. Very interesting stuff.I may post my paper on here once i have finished it. I was mostly just looking for interesting discussion, not necessarily answers :) Daoism presents itself as being fairly open to interpretation. Thanks for indulging!Cody Pitt said:
Don't know if I can help but I have studied taoism through kung fu training. I had to read Lau Tse interpretations on the Tao Te Ching or The Way. It is a very interesting philosophy. But no way you can truely live the life of a taoist in this time and age. You are right is practiced through non action but also being neutral. You can't be too passive but you can't be too interfering or aggressive. If I am not making any sense it's because I have not studied this for a long time. "A way is made by walking it" I think he is referring to way as The Way. To understand The Way you must walk it or live by it. The Way was created by Mother. Mother is the creator of everything. Also it could mean we choose are own path. We are guided by our choices down a path making it our way. Or as simple as a way is created just by walking. Like you making a way in the forest by walking off the trail. Anyways heres some thoughts for you. Like I have said I haven't been studying it for a long time so I might not be very helpful.
Cody Pitt
@cody-pitt
7 years ago
105 posts
Your welcome. I find this stuff interesting. I will check out Zhuangzi. Sweet. I would like to read it. I also like buddhism as well. I like his teachings. Heres some quotes I like from him and Confucius and Lao TzuBuddhaAll things appear and disappear because of the concurrence of causes and conditions. Nothing ever exists entirely alone; everything is in relation to everything else.Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment.He who loves 50 people has 50 woes; he who loves no one has no woes.No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path.The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, nor to worry about the future, but to live the present moment wisely and earnestly.You can search throughout the entire universe for someone who is more deserving of your love and affection than you are yourself, and that person is not to be found anywhere. You yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe deserve your love and affection.Life is sufferingWhat we are today comes from our thoughts of yesterday, and our present thoughts build our life of tomorrow: Our life is the creation of our mind.Let yourself be open and life will be easier. A spoon of salt in a glass of water makes the water undrinkable. A spoon of salt in a lake is almost unnoticed.Everything changes, nothing remains without change.Lao TzuLove is of all passions the strongest, for it attacks simultaneously the head, the heart and the senses.Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, while loving someone deeply gives you courage.Kindness in words creates confidence. Kindness in thinking creates profoundness. Kindness in giving creates love.By letting it go it all gets done. The world is won by those who let it go. But when you try and try. The world is beyond the winning.From caring comes courage.He who does not trust enough, Will not be trusted.Life is a series of natural and spontaneous changes. Don't resist them - that only creates sorrow. Let reality be reality. Let things flow naturally forward in whatever way they like.The softest things in the world overcome the hardest things in the world.ConfuciusEverything has its beauty but not everyone sees it.Forget injuries, never forget kindnesses.Things that are done, it is needless to speak about...things that are past, it is needless to blame.I want you to be everything that's you, deep at the center of your being.Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.We should feel sorrow, but not sink under its oppression.Bird said:
Thanks for responding!!

In this particular case i don't think he is referring to THE Way as in "Dao" because of the context of the quote... but that is how i first interpreted it as well.

This is more in the context of Zhuangzi, too.. not Laozi (i totally recommend reading Zhuangzi if you haven't. Very interesting stuff.

I may post my paper on here once i have finished it. I was mostly just looking for interesting discussion, not necessarily answers :) Daoism presents itself as being fairly open to interpretation. Thanks for indulging!

Cody Pitt said:
Don't know if I can help but I have studied taoism through kung fu training. I had to read Lau Tse interpretations on the Tao Te Ching or The Way. It is a very interesting philosophy. But no way you can truely live the life of a taoist in this time and age. You are right is practiced through non action but also being neutral. You can't be too passive but you can't be too interfering or aggressive. If I am not making any sense it's because I have not studied this for a long time. "A way is made by walking it" I think he is referring to way as The Way. To understand The Way you must walk it or live by it. The Way was created by Mother. Mother is the creator of everything. Also it could mean we choose are own path. We are guided by our choices down a path making it our way. Or as simple as a way is created just by walking. Like you making a way in the forest by walking off the trail. Anyways heres some thoughts for you. Like I have said I haven't been studying it for a long time so I might not be very helpful.
Spider Feet
@spider-feet
7 years ago
458 posts
I'd see it as saying that there is no real way to know what you are going to confront in your life or how you react until you come to it and that wisdom through whatever situations you come across in life is more important than knowledge.
Cody Pitt
@cody-pitt
7 years ago
105 posts
Thats really good. It reminds me of a quote in the Tao Te Ching. I don't know it word for word but it's something like this. "A wise man does not speak, an unwise man speaks". A wise man does not need to speak to be wise learning his knowledge through his actions and life experiences. An unwise man speaks pretending to know knowledge as he has yet to learn from his actions and life experiences. For some reason your understanding reminded me of this so I thought I would put it upSpider Feet said:
I'd see it as saying that there is no real way to know what you are going to confront in your life or how you react until you come to it and that wisdom through whatever situations you come across in life is more important than knowledge.
Spider Feet
@spider-feet
7 years ago
458 posts
To paraphrase Mark Twain(I think...): It's better to not speak and let people think you are stupid than to speak and remove all doubt.Cody Pitt said:
Thats really good. It reminds me of a quote in the Tao Te Ching. I don't know it word for word but it's something like this. "A wise man does not speak, an unwise man speaks". A wise man does not need to speak to be wise learning his knowledge through his actions and life experiences. An unwise man speaks pretending to know knowledge as he has yet to learn from his actions and life experiences. For some reason your understanding reminded me of this so I thought I would put it up
Spider Feet said:
I'd see it as saying that there is no real way to know what you are going to confront in your life or how you react until you come to it and that wisdom through whatever situations you come across in life is more important than knowledge.
Cody Pitt
@cody-pitt
7 years ago
105 posts
Thats a good one. Thats more of what the wise man one is about and what I was trying to get at. It's like all those people who don't have dreads and know nothing about them and they see you have them and they come up to you and tell you how you should do them and stuff then you just look at them and smileSpider Feet said:
To paraphrase Mark Twain(I think...): It's better to not speak and let people think you are stupid than to speak and remove all doubt.

Cody Pitt said:
Thats really good. It reminds me of a quote in the Tao Te Ching. I don't know it word for word but it's something like this. "A wise man does not speak, an unwise man speaks". A wise man does not need to speak to be wise learning his knowledge through his actions and life experiences. An unwise man speaks pretending to know knowledge as he has yet to learn from his actions and life experiences. For some reason your understanding reminded me of this so I thought I would put it up
Spider Feet said:
I'd see it as saying that there is no real way to know what you are going to confront in your life or how you react until you come to it and that wisdom through whatever situations you come across in life is more important than knowledge.
Spider Feet
@spider-feet
7 years ago
458 posts
I don't remember where it came from but there was a saying that I really liked. It was about if you try to grip sand it will slip through your fingers but if you hold it in your open palm it will stay.Cody Pitt said:
Thats a good one. Thats more of what the wise man one is about and what I was trying to get at. It's like all those people who don't have dreads and know nothing about them and they see you have them and they come up to you and tell you how you should do them and stuff then you just look at them and smile

Spider Feet said:
To paraphrase Mark Twain(I think...): It's better to not speak and let people think you are stupid than to speak and remove all doubt.

Cody Pitt said:
Thats really good. It reminds me of a quote in the Tao Te Ching. I don't know it word for word but it's something like this. "A wise man does not speak, an unwise man speaks". A wise man does not need to speak to be wise learning his knowledge through his actions and life experiences. An unwise man speaks pretending to know knowledge as he has yet to learn from his actions and life experiences. For some reason your understanding reminded me of this so I thought I would put it up
Spider Feet said:
I'd see it as saying that there is no real way to know what you are going to confront in your life or how you react until you come to it and that wisdom through whatever situations you come across in life is more important than knowledge.
Shannon Rose
@shannon-rose
7 years ago
11 posts
hmmm, haven't read any of this, would very much like to. thanks for sharing. when i first read the quote, i thought of this...every man's path is so personal no one else may walk it and it is experienced moment by moment. a particular person hasn't formed a path yet. i suppose i had to write a poem based on drawing a perfect circle around my self and describing what i see. it occured to me that absolutely no one else will ever see these things, in this perspective, at this moment... not even myself (again). does that make sense? it's like "be here, now," line of thought. bless up, yeah?
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