What qualigfies as "damage"

I think what you said is hypocritical to a degree. If he thinks that is what his dreads should be then they do represent him. Just like tattoos and piercings, a lot of people have similar or identical ones but everyone got them for different reasons and each one makes that person who they appear to be. Just because his dreads are "perfect" doesn't mean they are any less and it doesn't mean they don't represent his natural state of being.

Where does the need to be "neat" come from? Like what is the practical application of being "neat"? I am not insinuating I am just asking.

Having balance and order. Certainly people can naturally crave order which they do, and being neat or having control over certain things helps maintain that order.

Didjeridurian said:

Where does the need to be "neat" come from? Like what is the practical application of being "neat"? I am not insinuating I am just asking.

Having balance and order. Certainly people can naturally crave order which they do, and being neat or having control over certain things helps maintain that order.

Didjeridurian said:

Where does the need to be "neat" come from? Like what is the practical application of being "neat"? I am not insinuating I am just asking.

i live in rural india and let me tell you there are almost no showers - only the wealthiest homes have a hot water geezer and hand hose shower - msot people pee at the river bank and kids pee on the street and if they have a toilet its not the flushing kind anyway its a squatter hole in the ground that you throw water into from a tap if you make solid waste only - unless you are shitting out on the river bank too. many homes have a water tap in a closet kind of thing where they bucket bathe and also pee and there is no hole like a loo. its funny that india would write up about this except that the city folks are so westernized now in thier bathroom habits that they have forgotten the old ways or try not to admit to them. only those people would be reading the india times in english on the net anyways! i have sim card mobile internet which is like one of about a dozen of these i this town of 10,000 people. one public computer is here in town open about half the time and hardly being utilized since not many english speakers and the hindi keyboard is befuddling even to hindi natives. and its cost prohibitive. as i said most families dont even have a toilet.

Anubis said:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/mad-mad-world/Pee-in-the-s...
Random link! FTW!
Blonde Dready said:

This thread made me think alot. my brain hurts >.<</body>

Well there are unnatural means we must utilize because we have been seperated from nature. No one is saying that we have to go 100% natural "cold turkey". I am saying that the things that are reasonably within our means and ability to do natural should always be done so in order to achieve a collective realignment.
I have stated time and time again that we are forced to utilize manmade tools and techniques becasue we have also manufactured an unnatural habitat for ourselves. We can utilize these tools as a means for making them obsolete as we gradually return to nature. Rev. Niradhara said:

LOL "all you need is love.. doo doo doodoodoo.." you have some good arguements bro - with respect - i just want to add , how are your clothes manufactured? we have a long path to return back to our total natural state - no clothes. and in cold climates all natural and ahimnsa to boot. i personally hand stitch all of my own from pure cotton or hemp. organic cotton when i can get it. i used to do alot of hand dying from plants now i am wearing as part of my sadhana white, undyed. about 5 yrs now. everyone is at some differing stage of this natural state. as you said we are not separate from nature, the way i see it even artifice is somethign we created as creations of the creator. because thsi kind of creation often causes damage, exploitations, etc along the way its not somethig i personlly want to participate in further creating. some seem very very far from nature - meaning harmlessness - some doing what we can, where and how we can with what we gots... its not really fair to make judgement calls. we can be kind in our attempts to educate and live by example best we can. and dont forget to LOVE.

Didjeridurian said:

I will go back again and again to the concept of natural development in cases like this.
Natures plan IS our plan. We are nature. There is zero difference between creator and creation.
So when people see naturalism as dogmatic they are assuming that nature is "someone else's" plan.
Nature is our own guide to ourselves. By living naturally we will find the most possible joy. As a culture who has been so far removed from nature, we tend to act from ego and do things just becasue we can do them. Then we say we should be free to do those things but what we don't realize is that natural law is OUR law. We enforce it on ourselves whether we realize it or not. Creations of man that are derived out of a manufactured limitation of nature are counterproductive.Our merits are not measured by the "things" we create, they are ultimately measured by our level of understanding. Manufacturing is an illusion. Art does not belong to us, music does not belong to us. We simply participate in it. When we try to create these things out of ego all we do is impede the natural process.No matter what WE do to our bodies, anyone else can do the exact same thing, but what we ALLOW our bodies to become cannot ever be duplicated.There's nothing you can do that can't be done.Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the gameIt's easy.There's nothing you can make that can't be made.No one you can save that can't be saved.Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be youin time - It's easy.