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What is a Hippie?

dweezil moon
@dweezil-moon
15 years ago
2 posts
i think of labels as a cheap way to point fingers. its rarely ever used accurately or in a positive manner.i get called a "hippie" a "dirty hippie" a "damn hippie" "dirtbag" (the list and peoples dirty looks go on and on) everyday.honestly i dont like to think of myself as pretending to be a part of someything that already happened (going back about 35 years, and considering those who were once called "hippies" themselves)by loving our mother earth, having dreads, drifting from festival to festival, not owning a bra let alone a pair of jeans (skirts are the way!) or a comb, and being spiritual, makes me a hippie?? no, it does not. it doesnt make me anything, except in touch with my inner being and helps me understand, and create. its the foundation of my happiness. and to think, people declare me as socially undesireable for understanding myself and my needs to persue happiness.i dont think dread heads, nature dwellers, or the acid head drop-outs in the world will ever unite and love like they once did, and i dont think the term "hippie" will ever disspear thoughout eras. sad that people from a totally different social 'group' got to name millions and millions of peaceful people. if it had to be done, why couldnt the mud people of woodstock do it or something? im sure it'd have a much cooler name. its sad but id rather not pretend to be a part of something i wasnt even alive for.and if they had to label what the "hippies" did 35 years ago... and today i guess, they shoulda used a better word. maybe the "free spirits" or "wanderers"...
updated by @dweezil-moon: 07/23/15 03:32:44PM
☮ soaring eagle ॐ
@soaring-eagle
15 years ago
29,640 posts
rainbow spirit you said ya want to go live in the woods without propertylinesthats exactly what hippies are doing all over the worldwhat you object to isnt being a hippie but the term hippie because you believe it is derogatory, whgich it isnt unless u accept that it isdenying it just makes it that much more true because your rejecting the classificatrion which is what hippies do..its not our term its thewyre just like for african amerivcans the n word is an insult, unless thewy use it for themselves then its just accepting a kinship with folks with simular life experiencesits derogatory when used like "get a job you dirty hippie" but when you use it for yourseldf as someone with a goal of creatting a better world then its a term of prode ..yes some who call themselves hippies are blind to what it meanbs they go down the junky waste of life trail,but the majotity of hippies live a pure life and a life of service service to an idea of a better more peaceful world through creatting a better functional society seperate from the oppressive beaurocrocy Matted Dew said:
nope.

soaringeagle said:
ummm that is exacty what the hippies are doing today
so ya are a hippie

Matted Dew said:
hahah ite ite
i regress and would rather say born in late 1800s early 1900s hahhaa
go out in live in the woods and not hav ne bullshit propertylines

soaringeagle said:
sure the 17th or 18th century rocked ya just had torture if u got depressed if you knew the difference between a plant that cures a cold and 1 thart kills u u got burned at the stake.. if you masterbated or had an impure thought you were suposed to whip yourself for hours..having a differing view or original thought could get ya killed...and lets not forget youd be concidered an old man before ya were 30 (cause youd most likely be dead by then)
oh and.. seing an ankle was concidered porn (an a stonable offence)

Matted Dew said:
i duno
kinda completely disagree in a way hahaha
i feel like 'hippie' is such a demeaning word and i believe it stemmed from the word 'hippster'
and to me a hippster is jus another person who is tryin to fit into an already established 'counter-culture' wutever the fugg those are hahahha
i duno what else i can say about this other than i feel that the 60's just produced this new kind of label of people- "Hippies" which has gotten to the point of being a definite derragatorry term, or atleast thats how it is usally used..
i feel that labels r wrong and y should sum1 call me a hippiie when i probably differ with them on even the most simple of political issues blah blahblha
EVENTHOUGH the 60's produced this new sect of people who think theyre so trendy i think alot of the original propagators of this movement were sincere, revoltuionary, and brilliant.
however the mass of the Haight-ashbury district were most likely abunch of wierdo homeless junkies tryn to party all night and everyday (ive kidna read a good amount about how it was during the summer of love and what not and i dont think it would have been as glamourous as the legend has become, id rather be back in the 17th or 18th century, NOW that wuld be some real fun!hahah)
if sum1 calls me a hippie i take offense...
but thats just me hahhaha



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My new book Ban The Taboo Vol 1
Matted Dew
@matted-dew
15 years ago
213 posts
nopei hate labels but if we wanna play that gamethrow me with"Green Anarchist"yep, thats me.'hippie' is more oftenly used demeaningly rather than in a positive way, thus i dont wanna classify myself as a hippster (cuz thats just wut comes to my mind when i think of 'hippie')differnece in opinions.Oh yah and y not just call me a 'Native American', cause in reality thats truely exactly what i am and would i love to be associated with that labelage of peeps hahahNams' soaringeagle said:
rainbow spirit
you said ya want to go live in the woods without propertylines
thats exactly what hippies are doing all over the world
what you object to isnt being a hippie but the term hippie because you believe it is derogatory, whgich it isnt unless u accept that it is
denying it just makes it that much more true because your rejecting the classificatrion which is what hippies do..
its not our term its thewyre just like for african amerivcans the n word is an insult, unless thewy use it for themselves then its just accepting a kinship with folks with simular life experiences
its derogatory when used like "get a job you dirty hippie" but when you use it for yourseldf as someone with a goal of creatting a better world then its a term of prode ..
yes some who call themselves hippies are blind to what it meanbs they go down the junky waste of life trail,but the majotity of hippies live a pure life and a life of service service to an idea of a better more peaceful world through creatting a better functional society seperate from the oppressive beaurocrocy
Matted Dew said:
nope.

soaringeagle said:
ummm that is exacty what the hippies are doing today
so ya are a hippie

Matted Dew said:
hahah ite ite
i regress and would rather say born in late 1800s early 1900s hahhaa
go out in live in the woods and not hav ne bullshit propertylines

soaringeagle said:
sure the 17th or 18th century rocked ya just had torture if u got depressed if you knew the difference between a plant that cures a cold and 1 thart kills u u got burned at the stake.. if you masterbated or had an impure thought you were suposed to whip yourself for hours..having a differing view or original thought could get ya killed...and lets not forget youd be concidered an old man before ya were 30 (cause youd most likely be dead by then)
oh and.. seing an ankle was concidered porn (an a stonable offence)

Matted Dew said:
i duno
kinda completely disagree in a way hahaha
i feel like 'hippie' is such a demeaning word and i believe it stemmed from the word 'hippster'
and to me a hippster is jus another person who is tryin to fit into an already established 'counter-culture' wutever the fugg those are hahahha
i duno what else i can say about this other than i feel that the 60's just produced this new kind of label of people- "Hippies" which has gotten to the point of being a definite derragatorry term, or atleast thats how it is usally used..
i feel that labels r wrong and y should sum1 call me a hippiie when i probably differ with them on even the most simple of political issues blah blahblha
EVENTHOUGH the 60's produced this new sect of people who think theyre so trendy i think alot of the original propagators of this movement were sincere, revoltuionary, and brilliant.
however the mass of the Haight-ashbury district were most likely abunch of wierdo homeless junkies tryn to party all night and everyday (ive kidna read a good amount about how it was during the summer of love and what not and i dont think it would have been as glamourous as the legend has become, id rather be back in the 17th or 18th century, NOW that wuld be some real fun!hahah)
if sum1 calls me a hippie i take offense...
but thats just me hahhaha
☮ soaring eagle ॐ
@soaring-eagle
15 years ago
29,640 posts
you just proved my poiintyou object to the term because of how its usedbut green anarchist and hippie is the exact same thing hahaha so u just admitted to being a hippiealso alotta hippie ideals and native american ideals are very much the samethe difference between cherokee and lakota as a people isnt in the dna but more the identification with that culture,sure they are pretty strict with identifying bloodlines and tracing the bloodlines to a specific tribe, and each treibe has its own culture not just the tribe but the nation, but they all fall under the catagory native american, or the deragotory indian (not thjat it is deragatory as a word just had been used that way so many preffer to not use the term)green anarchist is 1 tribe of hippiedomand the more y6ouir afraid of being labled with the term the more the term gains strength as a deragotory one.. Matted Dew said:
nope
i hate labels but if we wanna play that game
throw me with
"Green Anarchist"
yep, thats me.
'hippie' is more oftenly used demeaningly rather than in a positive way, thus i dont wanna classify myself as a hippster (cuz thats just wut comes to my mind when i think of 'hippie')
differnece in opinions.

Oh yah and y not just call me a 'Native American', cause in reality thats truely exactly what i am and would i love to be associated with that labelage of peeps hahah
Nams'

soaringeagle said:
rainbow spirit
you said ya want to go live in the woods without propertylines
thats exactly what hippies are doing all over the world
what you object to isnt being a hippie but the term hippie because you believe it is derogatory, whgich it isnt unless u accept that it is
denying it just makes it that much more true because your rejecting the classificatrion which is what hippies do..
its not our term its thewyre just like for african amerivcans the n word is an insult, unless thewy use it for themselves then its just accepting a kinship with folks with simular life experiences
its derogatory when used like "get a job you dirty hippie" but when you use it for yourseldf as someone with a goal of creatting a better world then its a term of prode ..
yes some who call themselves hippies are blind to what it meanbs they go down the junky waste of life trail,but the majotity of hippies live a pure life and a life of service service to an idea of a better more peaceful world through creatting a better functional society seperate from the oppressive beaurocrocy
Matted Dew said:
nope.

soaringeagle said:
ummm that is exacty what the hippies are doing today
so ya are a hippie

Matted Dew said:
hahah ite ite
i regress and would rather say born in late 1800s early 1900s hahhaa
go out in live in the woods and not hav ne bullshit propertylines

soaringeagle said:
sure the 17th or 18th century rocked ya just had torture if u got depressed if you knew the difference between a plant that cures a cold and 1 thart kills u u got burned at the stake.. if you masterbated or had an impure thought you were suposed to whip yourself for hours..having a differing view or original thought could get ya killed...and lets not forget youd be concidered an old man before ya were 30 (cause youd most likely be dead by then)
oh and.. seing an ankle was concidered porn (an a stonable offence)

Matted Dew said:
i duno
kinda completely disagree in a way hahaha
i feel like 'hippie' is such a demeaning word and i believe it stemmed from the word 'hippster'
and to me a hippster is jus another person who is tryin to fit into an already established 'counter-culture' wutever the fugg those are hahahha
i duno what else i can say about this other than i feel that the 60's just produced this new kind of label of people- "Hippies" which has gotten to the point of being a definite derragatorry term, or atleast thats how it is usally used..
i feel that labels r wrong and y should sum1 call me a hippiie when i probably differ with them on even the most simple of political issues blah blahblha
EVENTHOUGH the 60's produced this new sect of people who think theyre so trendy i think alot of the original propagators of this movement were sincere, revoltuionary, and brilliant.
however the mass of the Haight-ashbury district were most likely abunch of wierdo homeless junkies tryn to party all night and everyday (ive kidna read a good amount about how it was during the summer of love and what not and i dont think it would have been as glamourous as the legend has become, id rather be back in the 17th or 18th century, NOW that wuld be some real fun!hahah)
if sum1 calls me a hippie i take offense...
but thats just me hahhaha



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My new book Ban The Taboo Vol 1
Matted Dew
@matted-dew
15 years ago
213 posts
nahhh manits wutevs but i dont like bein called a hippie.i duno how u can just classify a whole political sect as the exact same thing to hippies, so everyone is just a hippie? so were all the Transcendentalists just hippies too hahaha?id CUT OFF A TOE to be called a transcendentalist instead of the oh-so-misunderstood-derogatory term "hippie" that i get oh too ofteni think ya jus gotta agree to disagree braddaNamastedont get me wrong i kno a ton of hippies that i Love Hhahahhahahanaaahahaha no doubt soaringeagle said:
you just proved my poiint
you object to the term because of how its used
but green anarchist and hippie is the exact same thing hahaha so u just admitted to being a hippie
also alotta hippie ideals and native american ideals are very much the same
the difference between cherokee and lakota as a people isnt in the dna but more the identification with that culture,sure they are pretty strict with identifying bloodlines and tracing the bloodlines to a specific tribe, and each treibe has its own culture not just the tribe but the nation, but they all fall under the catagory native american, or the deragotory indian (not thjat it is deragatory as a word just had been used that way so many preffer to not use the term)
green anarchist is 1 tribe of hippiedom
and the more y6ouir afraid of being labled with the term the more the term gains strength as a deragotory one..


Matted Dew said:
nope
i hate labels but if we wanna play that game
throw me with
"Green Anarchist"
yep, thats me.
'hippie' is more oftenly used demeaningly rather than in a positive way, thus i dont wanna classify myself as a hippster (cuz thats just wut comes to my mind when i think of 'hippie')
differnece in opinions.

Oh yah and y not just call me a 'Native American', cause in reality thats truely exactly what i am and would i love to be associated with that labelage of peeps hahah
Nams'

soaringeagle said:
rainbow spirit
you said ya want to go live in the woods without propertylines
thats exactly what hippies are doing all over the world
what you object to isnt being a hippie but the term hippie because you believe it is derogatory, whgich it isnt unless u accept that it is
denying it just makes it that much more true because your rejecting the classificatrion which is what hippies do..
its not our term its thewyre just like for african amerivcans the n word is an insult, unless thewy use it for themselves then its just accepting a kinship with folks with simular life experiences
its derogatory when used like "get a job you dirty hippie" but when you use it for yourseldf as someone with a goal of creatting a better world then its a term of prode ..
yes some who call themselves hippies are blind to what it meanbs they go down the junky waste of life trail,but the majotity of hippies live a pure life and a life of service service to an idea of a better more peaceful world through creatting a better functional society seperate from the oppressive beaurocrocy
Matted Dew said:
nope.

soaringeagle said:
ummm that is exacty what the hippies are doing today
so ya are a hippie

Matted Dew said:
hahah ite ite
i regress and would rather say born in late 1800s early 1900s hahhaa
go out in live in the woods and not hav ne bullshit propertylines

soaringeagle said:
sure the 17th or 18th century rocked ya just had torture if u got depressed if you knew the difference between a plant that cures a cold and 1 thart kills u u got burned at the stake.. if you masterbated or had an impure thought you were suposed to whip yourself for hours..having a differing view or original thought could get ya killed...and lets not forget youd be concidered an old man before ya were 30 (cause youd most likely be dead by then)
oh and.. seing an ankle was concidered porn (an a stonable offence)

Matted Dew said:
i duno
kinda completely disagree in a way hahaha
i feel like 'hippie' is such a demeaning word and i believe it stemmed from the word 'hippster'
and to me a hippster is jus another person who is tryin to fit into an already established 'counter-culture' wutever the fugg those are hahahha
i duno what else i can say about this other than i feel that the 60's just produced this new kind of label of people- "Hippies" which has gotten to the point of being a definite derragatorry term, or atleast thats how it is usally used..
i feel that labels r wrong and y should sum1 call me a hippiie when i probably differ with them on even the most simple of political issues blah blahblha
EVENTHOUGH the 60's produced this new sect of people who think theyre so trendy i think alot of the original propagators of this movement were sincere, revoltuionary, and brilliant.
however the mass of the Haight-ashbury district were most likely abunch of wierdo homeless junkies tryn to party all night and everyday (ive kidna read a good amount about how it was during the summer of love and what not and i dont think it would have been as glamourous as the legend has become, id rather be back in the 17th or 18th century, NOW that wuld be some real fun!hahah)
if sum1 calls me a hippie i take offense...
but thats just me hahhaha
☮ soaring eagle ॐ
@soaring-eagle
15 years ago
29,640 posts
jesus was a hippie buddha too what defines a hippie most is a beliefe in peace and love so to love a hippie is to be a hippiehating the label also is somewhat being a hippie after all it was a rejection of clasification and the norms of societyno not everyones a hippie those filled with hatred, those who crave totalitarian control those who believe fighting wars is the best way to solve differencesjust cause u hate being called a hippie does not at all make you less of onebut if u realize it is not a derogatory term no matter how often it is used as one then and only then can u be happy with your true selfok in schools gay is constantly thrown around as a negative term, and many young gay people hate being called gay they refuse to believe they are gay and fight against theyre true nature ..and are very unhappythen eventualy they meet some gays who are happy being called gay and embrace thewyre gayness this gives thjem the strength to stand up and say hell yes im gay and im happy being gay, and face the descriminsation with prideso stop being ashamed of who you are let them call ya names the names are just words..hippie a true hippie is something to be proud of hippies are the ones who care eniughy to try to make a better world..they have the passion andf the drive..they dint just sit back and say oh well theres a war you cannot ever stop wars they believe in the power of the people and they face the descrimination bravely and stand up and fightwithout hippies we would have no human rights at all Matted Dew said:
nahhh man
its wutevs but i dont like bein called a hippie.
i duno how u can just classify a whole political sect as the exact same thing to hippies, so everyone is just a hippie? so were all the Transcendentalists just hippies too hahaha?
id CUT OFF A TOE to be called a transcendentalist instead of the oh-so-misunderstood-derogatory term "hippie" that i get oh too often
i think ya jus gotta agree to disagree bradda
Namaste

dont get me wrong i kno a ton of hippies that i Love Hhahahhahahanaaahahaha no doubt
soaringeagle said:
you just proved my poiint
you object to the term because of how its used
but green anarchist and hippie is the exact same thing hahaha so u just admitted to being a hippie
also alotta hippie ideals and native american ideals are very much the same
the difference between cherokee and lakota as a people isnt in the dna but more the identification with that culture,sure they are pretty strict with identifying bloodlines and tracing the bloodlines to a specific tribe, and each treibe has its own culture not just the tribe but the nation, but they all fall under the catagory native american, or the deragotory indian (not thjat it is deragatory as a word just had been used that way so many preffer to not use the term)
green anarchist is 1 tribe of hippiedom
and the more y6ouir afraid of being labled with the term the more the term gains strength as a deragotory one..


Matted Dew said:
nope
i hate labels but if we wanna play that game
throw me with
"Green Anarchist"
yep, thats me.
'hippie' is more oftenly used demeaningly rather than in a positive way, thus i dont wanna classify myself as a hippster (cuz thats just wut comes to my mind when i think of 'hippie')
differnece in opinions.

Oh yah and y not just call me a 'Native American', cause in reality thats truely exactly what i am and would i love to be associated with that labelage of peeps hahah
Nams'

soaringeagle said:
rainbow spirit
you said ya want to go live in the woods without propertylines
thats exactly what hippies are doing all over the world
what you object to isnt being a hippie but the term hippie because you believe it is derogatory, whgich it isnt unless u accept that it is
denying it just makes it that much more true because your rejecting the classificatrion which is what hippies do..
its not our term its thewyre just like for african amerivcans the n word is an insult, unless thewy use it for themselves then its just accepting a kinship with folks with simular life experiences
its derogatory when used like "get a job you dirty hippie" but when you use it for yourseldf as someone with a goal of creatting a better world then its a term of prode ..
yes some who call themselves hippies are blind to what it meanbs they go down the junky waste of life trail,but the majotity of hippies live a pure life and a life of service service to an idea of a better more peaceful world through creatting a better functional society seperate from the oppressive beaurocrocy
Matted Dew said:
nope.

soaringeagle said:
ummm that is exacty what the hippies are doing today
so ya are a hippie

Matted Dew said:
hahah ite ite
i regress and would rather say born in late 1800s early 1900s hahhaa
go out in live in the woods and not hav ne bullshit propertylines

soaringeagle said:
sure the 17th or 18th century rocked ya just had torture if u got depressed if you knew the difference between a plant that cures a cold and 1 thart kills u u got burned at the stake.. if you masterbated or had an impure thought you were suposed to whip yourself for hours..having a differing view or original thought could get ya killed...and lets not forget youd be concidered an old man before ya were 30 (cause youd most likely be dead by then)
oh and.. seing an ankle was concidered porn (an a stonable offence)

Matted Dew said:
i duno
kinda completely disagree in a way hahaha
i feel like 'hippie' is such a demeaning word and i believe it stemmed from the word 'hippster'
and to me a hippster is jus another person who is tryin to fit into an already established 'counter-culture' wutever the fugg those are hahahha
i duno what else i can say about this other than i feel that the 60's just produced this new kind of label of people- "Hippies" which has gotten to the point of being a definite derragatorry term, or atleast thats how it is usally used..
i feel that labels r wrong and y should sum1 call me a hippiie when i probably differ with them on even the most simple of political issues blah blahblha
EVENTHOUGH the 60's produced this new sect of people who think theyre so trendy i think alot of the original propagators of this movement were sincere, revoltuionary, and brilliant.
however the mass of the Haight-ashbury district were most likely abunch of wierdo homeless junkies tryn to party all night and everyday (ive kidna read a good amount about how it was during the summer of love and what not and i dont think it would have been as glamourous as the legend has become, id rather be back in the 17th or 18th century, NOW that wuld be some real fun!hahah)
if sum1 calls me a hippie i take offense...
but thats just me hahhaha



--
My new book Ban The Taboo Vol 1
☮ soaring eagle ॐ
@soaring-eagle
15 years ago
29,640 posts
exactlyand its only deragatory if u accept it as deragatoryya gotta really fear disaproval to fear being called a word HolliannePage said:
its funny how hippie can be used to describe fashion and chic-ness and all that
or it can be derogatory

goes to show that a word is a word

they dont give themselves meaning, people do



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My new book Ban The Taboo Vol 1
Matted Dew
@matted-dew
15 years ago
213 posts
LOL wow. everyone is hippietight hhahahahatheir just WORDS,bullshit labels that mean nothingi dont care what people call me, it just tells me more about that person and the way they use their words completly defines them.im not happy with myself?, wuddafuh?i try to be completely upfront to people as much as i can with myself and that is what makes me 'happy with my true self'i think the world would be alot better if every1 would never lie and jus b completly uprontHippies have never successfully gotten any wars stopped hahaah>? u cant stop a stampede once it has been started by beastsLOL 'without hippies we would have no human rights at all"all i can really say is WOW. hahahahhahahahahow about George Washington and our founding fathers, yep just a buncha hippies HHAhaHwhen u speak a certain language u use differnts words or terms to differentiate between certain things or aspects, its as simple as looking up HIPPIE and TRANSCENDENTAL in a dictionaryor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendentalism and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippie oh and i guess if i labeled myself as this u'd call me a hippie too? tight http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative OH yah i really like how HolliannePage summed it upthat sounds aboot right ehNams
Matted Dew
@matted-dew
15 years ago
213 posts
i duno man what is wrong with seakin approval?i sumwhat seek approval from some people that i have strong relationships with because i feel it is essential to rising to the nex step in a relationt ship, approving of someones personalityi feel if u meet sum1s approval then u r impossing ur views sumwut upon them, in a positive way that makes them re-examine themselves and the lives they live, and thus possibly providing a possitive Thing for sum1Nams soaringeagle said:
exactly
and its only deragatory if u accept it as deragatory

ya gotta really fear disaproval to fear being called a word


HolliannePage said:
its funny how hippie can be used to describe fashion and chic-ness and all that
or it can be derogatory

goes to show that a word is a word

they dont give themselves meaning, people do
☮ soaring eagle ॐ
@soaring-eagle
15 years ago
29,640 posts
the st is a type of hippie yes conservatives no are not hippie because thgey are very pro war anti freedomanbd yes wars have indeed been stopped by hippies and yes they have inded stood up to raging beasts and stood theyre ground\its always slow progres fighting against the system but many manhjy advances have been madeand yes the founding fatbers were hippies they grew canabis didnt they? freedom was the battle cry no more religios oppression self expression freedom of speech all hipie values it got screwed up along the way but wasnt it lincoln that said we should overthrow the government every 50 years and recreate the entire government from scratch?i wouldnt say they all were we had a few fuckups but the core creators were.. Matted Dew said:
LOL wow. everyone is hippie
tight hhahahaha
their just WORDS,
bullshit labels that mean nothing
i dont care what people call me, it just tells me more about that person and the way they use their words completly defines them.
im not happy with myself?, wuddafuh?
i try to be completely upfront to people as much as i can with myself and that is what makes me 'happy with my true self'
i think the world would be alot better if every1 would never lie and jus b completly upront
Hippies have never successfully gotten any wars stopped hahaah>? u cant stop a stampede once it has been started by beasts
LOL 'without hippies we would have no human rights at all"
all i can really say is WOW. hahahahhahahaha
how about George Washington and our founding fathers, yep just a buncha hippies HHAhaH
when u speak a certain language u use differnts words or terms to differentiate between certain things or aspects, its as simple as looking up HIPPIE and TRANSCENDENTAL in a dictionary
or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendentalism
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippie
oh and i guess if i labeled myself as this u'd call me a hippie too? tight
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative

OH yah i really like how HolliannePage summed it up
that sounds aboot right eh
Nams



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