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huh that is interesting. I just read some stuff about that after you mentioned it. It's kind of like corn and how it used to be just a small prairie grass with a tiny seed cluster. I do understand where you are coming from.... but i feel that because humans have made small tweaks on cows and other animals doesn't mean that we should continue locking them up and reproducing them. I am just coming from a perspective where I respect animals and don't think of them as a source of meat. Just because these animals are domesticated does not mean they are any less of a product of the wild. They are still as wild as their ancestors they have just been manipulated a small bit. I would rather have them not exist than make them live a life of the farm. Even though they are 'domesticated', I don't think that makes it ok for people to exploit them. I was just reading about the natural ancestors of the cow. It's really interesting to see what the true nature behind the cow is. I feel that because we are so used to associating cows with food and farms it has changed the way we look at them. If you were to see that cow in nature for the first time it would be a much different experience. It's kind of how so many people view themselves today. So many people are so far disconnected with the natural world and forget our deep roots with the earth. The cow and us are kept far away from nature in unnatural worlds so we forget what we realluy are. Alright i think im done here haha sorry this threads topic turned around but hey this is a good convo to have. this took quite a lot of thinking oh and none of this is directed negatively at you jdwood, i was just trying to get my opinion out. Peace =]
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Best alternative to wool is..?

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Jon said:

Thank you for your comment Tyler, you kind of nailed it in the head with what I think of it all.

I also agree more with hunting rather than raising an animal in a cage to eat. It is a more natural approach, the animal has been living it's natural life and has a chance to flee. We need certain animal nutrients that I do not know a lot about, but I believe that the majority, if not all that we need, is available from other sources or synthetically, so that we do not NEED to kill and eat the animal anymore.

To Sourabh:
I believe plants are something that can be much easily farm produced. Animals release methane which has a high global warming potential. I cannot remember where I read or heard this, but I believe if we took the grain that is being fed to farm animals, it could go much further to helping starving people (If the sentence didn't make sense, basically the animals eat a LOT of grain that could go to feeding hungry people.)

In general, I feel that I should not contribute to the animal suffering if I have the choice.

Your welcome man =]. i was reading around on this forum and I came across this thread and I had to create a membership so I could write something. And you are exactly right. I think the stat is....that we feed cattle 8 times more grain than they produce. Therefore by eating lower on the food chain you are consuming a LOT less food than when you eat meat. This, however is mostly due to the ridiculous factory farming procedures that are used today. There was some other stat that said 70% of all corn in america goes to feeding cows. Cows are not suppose to eat corn, but we give it to them - genetically modified corn too (double whammy). That is the reason there are so many out breaks of e coli. If you feed cattle grass for a week it sheds 90% of the e coli in its gut.

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Pantera, I feel that you did come off a bit strong as if you were trying to insult his ways of living. I definitely understand where jon is coming from on this. It's funny that you insulted Jon because you thought he was generalizing and assuming that all animals are mistreated, but aren't you doing the same thing by assuming all wool manufacturers do not mistreat? Just because you have met someone or a few people that don't does not mean all of them don't. There is more to this than just abuse of animals as well. Jon might not want to support the univited incarceration of sheep for the production of wool. Not all farms allow their sheep/cows etc. to roam freely on the prairie as packaging and propaganda always tries to lead you to believe. Actually, the majority of farms now a days trap their animals in small cages or stalls for most of the duration of their lives. Even if the animals are allowed to roam freely on grasslands it still is drastically different than what millions of years of evolution has prepared this amazing creature to do. Now that we are not hunter/gatherer societies and we have the knowledge and ability to eat a wide variety of foods, we have the option to not eat or use animal products to ensure a peaceful life for all. I am a vegetarian but I do realize that animals were and sometimes can be a necessary for survival. There is no way humans could survive without the gift of meat from animals. But now things are much different. to respond to sourabh, I have had that question asked of me before as it is a pretty good one. If we decide to not eat animals, why does our thinking not extend to cover plants as well? Plants and animals are much different. Animals are much more highly evolved and complex organisms. Plants in the food chain are usually at the very bottom, they are the producers. These plants utilize abiotic ingredients and manufacture their own food which becomes food for almost all animals and humans. You cannot survive without plants. You can survive without animals. A lot of plants are killed to feed us but we need not to kill and jail organisms with emotions. I still really respect the sacrifice the plants make for me to nourish my body. When I am out in the forest collecting edible plants for salads and flours I like to thank each plant for what they have made. I always leave some for wildlife and for the plant to reseed. Even though I am a vegetarian, I agree more with hunting than raising animals on farms. I have never done it, but it is a very primal thing and something that is necessary for life. goodness, sorry i typed so much i just kinda got on a roll. hope this clears some things up though =]