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I wanted to add to the "natural" discussion :(

Dreading Methods

no but read what they say, it all can be applied to dreads, are u serious, things that happen on their own, without help from man,

rawsum said:

ummmm..none of this pretains to dreads :D


neil coe said:

and while where at it, lets define the word natural

natural
adjective
1.
existing in or formed by nature ( opposed to artificial): a natural bridge.
2.
based on the state of things in nature; constituted by nature: Growth is a natural process.
3.
of or pertaining to nature or the universe: natural beauty.
4.
of, pertaining to, or occupied with the study of natural science: conducting natural experiments.
5.
in a state of nature; uncultivated, as land.
6.
growing spontaneously, without being planted or tended by human hand, as vegetation.
7.
having undergone little or no processing and containing no chemical additives: natural food; natural ingredients. Compare organic.

so to me if we take what the word means and then apply that to dreads, then once again, unless they were formed on their own, they are unnatural,

I wanted to add to the "natural" discussion :(

Dreading Methods

and while where at it, lets define the word naturalnaturaladjective1.existing in or formed by nature ( opposed to artificial): a natural bridge.2.based on the state of things in nature; constituted by nature: Growth is a natural process.3.of or pertaining to nature or the universe: natural beauty.4.of, pertaining to, or occupied with the study of natural science: conducting natural experiments.5.in a state of nature; uncultivated, as land.6.growing spontaneously, without being planted or tended by human hand, as vegetation.7.having undergone little or no processing and containing no chemical additives: natural food; natural ingredients. Compare organic.so to me if we take what the word means and then apply that to dreads, then once again, unless they were formed on their own, they are unnatural,

I wanted to add to the "natural" discussion :(

Dreading Methods

well if i really need to explain this, i will, i figured it was simple enough just in logic terms.... here is what you said " I am of the opinion that anything human made is 'natural' because humans themselves are a naturally occurring phenomenon of this planet." .......almost everything human made is unnatural, for example man made dread wax, so cause man made it its natural, lol, no way......Read more: I wanted to add to the "natural" discussion - dreadlocks forums http://www.dreadlockssite.com/forum/topics/i-wanted-to-add-to-the-natural?x=1&id=3754945%3ATopic%3A250245&page=2#comments#ixzz1337w7g3I the best place for real dreadlocks no lies no products to buy just truth about healthy dreadsUnder Creative Commons License: Attribution

Bird said:

Since when are opinions b.s.? It's like i said in my original post... somebody's definition of nature is subjective.

Just another example of what I believe has made this place a less friendly interweb destination... When I first found this place 8 or so months ago, it was much more friendly and inviting. I feel like anyone will get their head bitten off for mentioning their opinion around here. There are ways of disagreeing respectfully. (and generally when you do disagree, it's smart to say why...instead of leaving it as "your opinion is bs").

I wanted to add to the "natural" discussion :(

Dreading Methods

and thats how it is, no one forces anyone to go a certain way, we give the best info we can in order for them to have nice healthy dreads, and that just so happens to be natural, and for sure anyways that are harmful are looked down apon cause we dont want someone having harm done to their hair,and as far as the discussion.... im with SE on this one, it shouldn't be a argument, just don't claim anything your not, and lets face it, natural dreads are formed on their own naturally, no comb, no hands, and the opinion that anything human made is 'natural' because humans themselves are a naturally occurring phenomenon of this planet. is a joke, im sorry but that's just bsand one last thought, its good to be proud of ones accomplishments, and dreading your hair from nothing, natural dreads, are some thing to be proud of......and their is nothing wrong with wanting to be correctly called that, but who said that you shouldn't also be equally proud of your dreads if ya started them, you shouldn't, they are still dreads, and you should be proud, i see some ppl getting all defensive when ppl start talking about natural dreads being the best way, it is the best cause its the healthiest way, like in their own minds they are being put down cause of the path the chose, your not being put down, but we are going to inform you if your not doing something smart, its up to ones self to act as they please....Read more: I wanted to add to the "natural" discussion - dreadlocks forums http://www.dreadlockssite.com/forum/topics/i-wanted-to-add-to-the-natural?xg_source=activity#ixzz132gKga00 the best place for real dreadlocks no lies no products to buy just truth about healthy dreadsUnder Creative Commons License: Attribution

Bird said:

I'm not saying that harmful methods should be advocated. I am saying that information should be provided to prevent harm and it should be left at that.... people can make their own decisions and mistakes.

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greatly spoken naturalwomyn, but i wouldnt expect anything but a well wrote answer from you, its always nice to hear your input

NaturalWomyn said:

Honestly this is just silly. All the terminology I-mamma has clarified for us has been around for years and is really not going to change because some choose to be offended by it. Please try not to think of it as your dreads are unnatural if you t&r, backcombed etc, they just do not happen to fit into the widely used term of "natural" it really is just a label more for accurate description and proper education. What if a newb came on the site looking for knowledge on what method to use to start their dreads and every pic of backcombed, neglect, crochet, T&R was labeled "natural" there needs to be a way to distinguish them correctly. So lets all take our ego's out of it and not allow ourselves to get so upset. Call your hair what you want but don't expect everyone to agree on it. We're not going to completely change the terminology IMHO all we can do is change our reactions. If y'all haven't grown a thicker skin by now u may want to consider it. It really makes no difference what anyone else thinks, as long as you are happy with your dreads and the method you used, so let's try to remember that. I hope I haven't offended anyone if I have I apologize in advance but that's just my 2 cents. :o)

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so you feel that if the word natural isnt tied to your dreads, they are not real, they are fake, no way, and thats your fault for excepting to believe that, in your mind if your not called natural then they are fake, well no one is calling your dreads fake but you, like ppl stated before, its ok to have a starter method, but claim it, and why not be proud of how you started your amazing locks, buy you saying they are natural is confusing, but if you said they are t&R then you are informing ppl better, plus if your proud of it, and claim it, it takes away from that negative view on other methods, cause you can say look, i started these with the T&R method and they are beautiful, don't be embraced that you needed a jump start, by doing that You are giving the negative image to the method

Faelwynn said:

Thank you! This is exactly my point!

taye said:

The word infers that any other method is not natural but artificial. Violet is only saying hers are not artificial.

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nope she just want to claim natural, t&r is not artificial, but at the same time they are not natural, its real hair, real dreads, and thats fine, but to claim that they are natural dreads no, thats confusing for ppl, they are t&r dreads....

taye said:

I like the term Chewin Change used....freeform. it describes the method much better than natural does.If someone asked Violet how her dreads were formed she would say....oh they naturally formed that way....i think she would explain the tand r method. The word natural is very misleading. I think it would confuse someone interested in starting dreads. The word infers that any other method is not natural but artificial. Violet is only saying hers are not artificial.

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maybe your the deaf one, idk ive heard many ppl try to explain this to ya, and yet you still want to call your self natural, im not buying that, just cause you use no harmful products dont mean it was natural, that crazy..... but if you want to keep calling your self something that your not just to feel better about yourself, then go ahead, your going to keep doing that anyways

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violet said, backcombing and tnr can both form naturally without products. i disagree, they are not formed naturally, they are formed by hand or comb...and just cause you use a natural product it dont magically make the dread natural, they are still whatever they are, backcomed, tnr, just with natural products in them, for example, dyeing your hair, it was used before so ill just use that. if your a blond, and you use a natural dye to dye your hair black, does that mean your hair is naturally black, hell no it dont,

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well then your still t&r, just cause hair grows in and ya let it go, why would you claim the 10 percent natural part , instead of the 90 percent t&r, its not like your selling yourself short by saying this, nothing is wrong with starting your dreads that way, so claim it, you t&r with no products, good for you, i think its more of in ppls minds that if they dont claim natural, then they feel like their dreads are being called fake, nope they are still dreads, and you should be proud you have dreads, and you should be proud of how you started them, not claiming natural cause it sounds better,