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I'm worried that my bleach blonde hair is going to all fall out before it dreads up :(

Help! Save My Dreads

Okay, here is my opinion...if it was my hair, I would purchase a good reconstructor (one of the best is from Nexxus), Gently comb out your knots and cut as much of the hair as you feel comfortable. As hard as it is, wait it out and start your dreads again when your hair is stronger and healthier. But....since you aren't going to want to take that advice...I would not use BS or ACV at all. I would use some Bronner's. Go for the Lavender or perhaps Rose...just not peppermint(as it will be further drying). What youreally need is a protein based reconstructor, which will fortify and strengthen the hair. Only protein (like the Nexxus) will do the job. Plant based products will not stop the breakage, but a reconstructor is very rich and creamy and will definitely remove dreading.Without intensive help, you hair will likely keep breaking. I'm sorry

updated by @panterra-caraway: 07/22/15 08:12:01PM

Stop pulling them out!!

Dread Maintenance

Exactly SE!!! LOL Angel, you are undoing progress everytime you do that. Those hairs are like the twigs of a nest...you are making a real problem for yourself. As long as you don't comb your hair, you will have these fallen hairs that bear the follicle or skin tag on the end. There is no way around them. I have tons, but I do find they blend in more after a fresh henna job These little annoyances arean essential part of dreading.
soaring eagle said:

dont look in the mirror

removing hair dye from dreads

Dread Maintenance

Well, I have seen this same kind of reaction...thank goodness you were calm. Actually, the type of color does not matter, unless the color contains metallic salts...but many perms are hard on hair. And to top it off, some stylists don't wrap properly and distribute tension evenly...which gives you that nice breakage you mentioned..ugh! But, all in all...I would place your unfortunate mess and its responsibility in the lap of the stylist. There are mutlitple factors to consider when doing chemical services and when a client has color, you need to be very sure you asking the right questions. Sorry that happened to you...but you handled it the best way you could Man.......

Angel Frye said:

"Depending on what the hair was colored with and the condition of the hair in general, will determine what lifts the color and how dramatically."

hehehe... I've got something that'll fry your brain Panterra: Ferria professional color. Ya know... the BAD stuff! Fantastic color range. I love it. But in combination with other things...eh. Read on.

I once had my hair colored with some of that and a few weeks later tried to get a perm at a salon to keep my frizzy hair together more nicely. OH my god. My hair turned white at the roots, orange the rest of the way down and started breaking off. Not pretty. Let's just say that a hair stylist was crying that day. I wasn't as freaked out as I could have been. By far. I just had her shave it. But oh my lord was she freaked because she didn't ask what kind of dye I used. I didn't know that it mattered.

It was a tragedy. But ya know what? It's HAIR. So the hell what. It grows back.

It's interesting seen my roots grow out now. I've always been so fanatic about keeping my hair color nice and neat.

removing hair dye from dreads

Dread Maintenance

Actually, yes! Your hair will fade with the BS. And you are right, I would call it more deep coffee brown than black As it lightens, you may get a kind of reddish cast to it, which I also think would be nice for you. In reply to Angel's comment...Depending on what the hair was colored with and the condition of the hair in general, will determine what lifts the color and how dramatically. BS is used to degrease walls prior to painting and opens the cuticle layers because it encourage dryness, so its stripping abilities will be pretty strong. As for ACV, it smoothes and closes the cuticle...so, it will not pull as much color out...unless you are using henna to color or perhaps another semi-permanent/vegatable based color. Because those colors sit on the cuticle layer to begin with and do not penetrate into the second layer Cortex, any substance (even water) will fade those colors significantly

mercy ~ said:

Ok thanks! Its not like pitch black its dark brown I hope my color fades cause the BS

removing hair dye from dreads

Dread Maintenance

Hair dye remover is hard on the hair in general...any hair, whether dreaded or not. It is also something that I don't advise people to try on their own because is needs to be applied very quickly and evenly and watched VERYcarefully. You also must recolor immediately as the remover will leave the hair a rather odd color most of the time. It does not just remove the artificial color and restore it to its original shade. It is akin to bleach, yet slower in development... so not quite as damaging and easier to control an even result...but still a very big job. That is why I advise people against black hair color in the first place...because unlike other shades, it is very hard to get rid of and is a harsh and difficult color to wear in general. Do you know a professional? Even a friend in beauty college would be better than attempting this yourself.

I just took a look at your profile and pics. If that is how you look, I would leave it alone Sweetie. Although it may be darker than you want right now and you have roots coming in, I think your dread babies are coming along nicely and your hair is in a good place. I wouldn't disturb it. As time goes on, you could either stay natural or put another color and as time goes on you will end up with black tips . Your hair will shrink significantly as it matures. Trust me, you won't end up with alot of black left, maybe half ofwhat you have now, although it will take awhile. I think you will end up happier leaving it than to do a remover.

Allergic to most plants- dread help??

Dreads Hair and Scalp Health

Okay Angel, here is another one for you....Dead Sea Mud Soap made by One With Nature....they sell it at Sprouts Market. The ingredients are: Saponified palm and palm kernel oils, dead sea mud, vegetable glycerin, citric acid, shea butter, dead sea salt, cinnamon, salt and vitamin C...???????? What about this? I used a new soap on my dreads today that I absolutely love! But, it has coconut oil...so, no for you I am so sorry. I really want to help and I feel so frustrated fro you!!!!! Wahhhhhhhh! And I am glad you didn't tell me about the pine thing...razor blades? Ouch! Uh, no. I will keep searching my sweet friend <3

Angel Frye said:

Continuing on with the search for salicylate free dread soaps and scalp soothers, I found this today from Cleure.com :

Cleure bar soap, 3oz. Linked here It's $4.95 per bar.

• Purified Water
• Glycerin
• Sodium Palmate
• Sodium Palm Kernelate
• Sorbitol,
• Palm Acid
• Palm Kernel Acid
• Titanium Dioxide
• Pentasodium Pentetate,
• 100% Pure Shea Butter
• Unscented contains Organic Oatmeal
• Gardenia contains mild Gardenia Scent
• Vanilla contains mild Vanilla Scent

As long as the Scents are true SCENTS and not extracts then it is truly a salicylate free product.The Palm Acids are the broken down chemical components of palm oil I can use. Acids are fine while extracts and oils are not, mostly. The Oats and Shea Butter are fine, too. Those are SA free.

I know I saw a thread around here about the chemicals we have to stay away from in dread shampoos but I can't find it!!!! Help? Anyone?? I need to know if any of these chemicals are bad about causing buildup on dreads.

And I'm going to be honest, this list of ingredients for the Cleure soap sounds like your typical melt-and-pour but all the melt-and-pour bulk soaps I've been finding lately in Google have aloe vera added to them. If all the ingredients are ok then I need to find a bulk supplier. That would be ideal.

The other problem I'm finding is that when I search "salicylate free" in a search engine I get bulk soaps that have " Propylene Glycol" as one of their first ingredients. I really don't like the idea of that chemical being so high on the ingredient list in such a large ratio of the recipe.

However I did find a few new salicylate-sensitivity support groups today! Apparently I am not as alone in this fight as I thought I was; there are a lot of people out here today with chemical sensitivities who also know how to idenitfy salicylates. I think the search for a good soap and anti-itch product may get a bit easier. And if I can get those then I can have healthier locks!! That is the goal.

After my little escapade with Suave yesterday my hair still felt poufy so I did another BS/ACV rinse. UGH. I feel like it was five steps forward(before the Suave) and then four steps back(using the Suave). My hair feels crunchy and gross.

updated by @panterra-caraway: 07/11/15 12:37:07AM

Allergic to most plants- dread help??

Dreads Hair and Scalp Health

I don't know if this would work, but I thought I would send it your way.... www.grandpabrands.com I used their pine tar soap for some mild psoriasis I was struggling with awhile back. I know that pine is a plant...but if you check out their site they have a full selection of soaps and they also have witch hazel soap and baking soda soap. I tried to see the ingrediants, but you would be better at that than I. Let me know if I was any help...if not, back to the drawing board we go! <3

Angel Frye said:

Deleted threads/deleted profiles, whatever. I saw the multitude of comments on SE's profile RIGHT BEFORE the profile was deleted and new one began. Pretty crazy stuff. Truth will out. Whatever. I'm getting off this merry-go-round of bs and getting the thread back on topic.

The reason I have to stay away from salicylic aside, my little adventure with Suave this morning to strip/clarify my hair left me exhilerated for all of... two hours. Then I hopped in the car with the windows down and turned into a pouf ball of fluffy hair. Just freaking lovely. The texture of my hair only feels moderately course now. Not as silky smooth as it was before I began using BS/ACV but definitely softer. So Suave is a dud until I get my locks way more firmly established. I figure I lost about 75% of the knots in my hair. I hoped that it wouldn't be this bad but it was.

This is frustrating.

A few years ago I used a shampoo bar soap and I remember that it made my hair feel dry. But that was full of salicylates(plant extracts, etc) and so I guess now I'm still on the prowl for a good clarifying soap. Glycerin is ok to use on my hair/scalp as a anti-itch/dandruff type product but what about glycerin soaps for shampoo? Has anyone tried the plain glycerin soaps on their hair? Like the stuff you'd find in the Dollar Store?

I found this: http://www.luckyvitamin.com/p-10617-clearly-natural-glycerine-soap-...

Ingredients: Glycerine (derived from Palm), Palm Stearic Acid, Palm Oleic Acid, Sodium Myreth
Sulfate (alcohol derived from corn), Sodium Hydroxide, Purified Water, Aloe
Vera, Natural Fragrance Essence.

The only salicylate in it is the aloe. So if I could find a glycerin soap with no aloe..... thoughts anyone? Are there any ingredients you see here which may cause buildup?

I actually had the thought last night of trying Fels Naptha but eww. After I read more about it I was instantly repulsed. Good on clothes not so good on the skin. Really harsh stuff. And it has salicylates.

Allergic to most plants- dread help??

Dreads Hair and Scalp Health

Wow. Thank you for your reply Jaysun. As for this thread...please, both of you...STOP. This is crazy. You are both showing a side of you that is not the best. And it all sprang from you BOTH being in situations that make you very ill. I am sorry that either of you is ill and I wish you both could just have happy, stress and pain free lives. I want that for anyone...I really do. I learned from my Grandma that if we want understanding, we need to provide it for others. If we want love, we must be loving. If we want tolerance, we must be tolerant. There is no sense in trying to top each other, cast blame or point fingers. As I said before...anger will kill you. Anger only creates more anger...as we have seen here in this thread. You are both people with challenges...but, you are also both people with the capacity to be your best...and your worst. I choose to see the best in BOTH of you. I choose to believe that this thread was a huge misunderstanding. And I just want to say that I am not taking sides...I think you both have something to contribute here and I hope you do. Jaysun, thank you for not just deleting your profile and leaving for good. I have contributed to alot of threads here and afew times, my words were taken as something I didn't intend or were received poorly. I even had a member call me a troll. It hurt my feelings to be honest...but, it wasn't true and I took it as nothing more than it was...a silly comment made in passing, that does not define me or measure the depth of who I am. If you two choose to never converse again, so be it. That is your choice. But I think it is a shame that two people who have so much to offer and come from our dread community (which embraces the idea of tolerance and love), would be so opposed. Maybe when your anger dissaptes and your minds clear you will see things differently

Allergic to most plants- dread help??

Dreads Hair and Scalp Health

Jaysun, I don't really know how this all started since your replies aren't showing up (save for this final one). I do see what Angel said and I think that it wasn't put very well. I have found that communicating via the computer, leads to all kinds of misunderstandings and miscommunications. Alot of times here, we give each other the wrong idea and hurt feelings. It doesn't make it right, but it is true. From your reply, I get several things. You are in an incredibly difficult and painful situation...and that you are angry. I would be angry too. But you can't take it out on everyone you come across who doesn't understand or makes an ackward comment. I say that, not for them or the sake of being polite...but for you. Because regardless of what you have...illness, lack of money,pain, suffering...anger will turnn you into something you don't want to be. Anger will finish you off. I know that this life isn't easy, and some of us have it even harder. It is easy to get lost in circumstance. My gluten problem is a difficult thing for me at the moment...that will pass. And compared to what you are going through, it is very insignificant. I have two special needs daughters. One who is Autistic, and one who is Bi-Polar. They are by far my biggest challenges in life. I don't mention them to in any way compare our situations...I mention them because I wanted you to know that I don't have a perfect life...infact, I don't think anyone does. I just know that we come together here and all we can offer is our point of view based on our life experiences. And sometimes we fail to understand each other. And sometimes we hurt each other. I am sorry Angel's words hurt you. But just as you are more than you experiences and the anger you expressed here is only a small part of who Jaysun is...so too, it goes for Angel. She made an unfortunate reply...we all do at times. I wish you well...I will pray for your peace and comfort...that is about all I can really do. Blessings brother

jayyson said:

when i read what you wrote you disgust me for real. ok you ready to google your day away URETEROPEIVIC JUNCTION OBSTRUCTION, CONSTANT PYELONEPHRITIS, STRICTURE,RETROPERITONEAL FIBROSIS, CONSTANT HEMATURIA, IREVEARSABLE 10TH STAGE HRDRONOPHROSIS, DUPLICATE COLLECTING AND FILTER SYSTEM, .i hope you google these words and if you dont have to google them then your my hero lol. and you kinda do need a phd in alot of feilds to understand me lolis that acceptable cause theres more thats just what i know off the top of my hear cause of my "lack of reasearch"???? was it that?cause c-mondo you really need to know all those terms? because im well aware of all of them every second stabbing pain, blood in urine, throw up cant ever work again,deficient in most vitamens mainly protein and viteman b all of them.im 32 urinate 10-20 times a night urine literally drips out every time. so now after really reading your GLUTIN condition thats a grain to me and so is polysystic for that matter i would take polysystec throuout my body over what i have . so im glad all you have to do is read labels???????????????? try being 32 with 25 year old wife twins girl on way lost house that i bought at 19 business i started from nothing. try not being able to sit for any lenth stand for any lenth and lay for any lenth. and im aware kidney surgery is no joke ive had 3 of them but did i feal like telling you all this NO but you insulted my intelagance due to my GRAMMER????? it didnt affect my 98 I.Q i just took to for placement to go into NON payin service work. and im sorry you saying you husband is ignorant and wont reasearch his conditionwell if he urinated pure blood for a week he will get helpor when he faints while urinating or when he cant pick up his 15lbsibiling. and yes i have terrible computer grammer and puntuationand spelling are horrible on computer. and as far as the sick and tired of being sick and tired comment i can write a book on that if you know what i mean. does that better describe the blah blah part i hope so cause it def didntsolve the grammer/PUnctuAtIoion<jk have a nice day and keep your eye site good to read those labelsjk for real good luck with condition. OH DID I MENTION BI- POLAR ON TOP OF THAT, ANDECT. ECT. ECT. and dont bitch about the ect cause im not writing a encyclapedia on that aspect oh and this i jaysun drumbouy??? dont know why i picked that name last night
Angel Frye said:

Jaysun, I'm sorry. My temper is frayed and trying to decipher what you originally wrote put me over the edge. Lack of grammar and punctuation on the 'net drives me batshit crazy sometimes. I just don't think you should have to have a 'phd' to decipher what someone is trying to say. I'm not going to block you or ignore you or anything like that. I think everyone should be heard here. Everyone deserves to be seen and heard. But your grammar pushed a sensitive button with me.

About a congential birth defect, don't you think it might be worth your while to study and understand all that you can(and all that is available) about it? What if something happens to you and doctors need to have you explain to them what is wrong with you because of it? My husband has polycystic kidney disease and he still refuses to do any research on it. He expects ME to take care of HIM when it's pretty plain to us all(his employer included) that he needs to do more to maintain good health while he can before he has to go on dialysis. But he refuses. He wants to remain ignorant about it.

I don't know, man. I guess my point is that if you don't care about yourself then who the hell will? Doctors aren't mind readers and pointing to something and saying, "it hurts" isn't very damn descriptive. They can't help you if you don't use good descriptives and language usage is a big part of that. So is the patient being responsible and proactive and trying to manage their health. I know that if I neglected my condition I'd be bedridden still(and all from coming into contact with certain plants! who'da thunk something so ridiculous could happen? And look at Panterra's gluten intolerance?! That's pretty strange when you think about it, too.) Thankfully I grew up mentally and decided that I was sick and tired of being sick and tired. I researched, learned what I had to do, and then sucked it up and did it even if I get really tired of constantly reading labels and researching new stuff when I don't have the time or feel like it.

My condition doesn't really have a name. It's not terminal. It'll never kill me. It'll just make me WANT to die because of the intense pain. So you and I have something in common there with that last bit. I'm so sorry you required surgery. That really sucks. And kidney surgery is no joke. I know that they pretty much have to cut you in half so that they can get to those organs. Not exactly a fun recovery period, I am sure.

Your dietary hardship sounds awful. I'm lucky in that I only have to read the ingredients in the most obvious places for my no-no's to be found. You and Panterra have to look EVERYwhere for where your danger may lurk.

Allergic to most plants- dread help??

Dreads Hair and Scalp Health

Angel, don't know if you know, that I am a hairstylist (of 31 years!). Let me do a bit of research on this...maybe I can figure something out. I have a network of fellow hairstylists who know a wealth of info. Just so I am clear....we are looking for plant extracts as a no-no right? If it is like gluten, it masquerades under other names....anything like that for salicylates? I will put my thinking cap on and get back with you on this okay? Much love girlfriend.

Angel Frye said:

Yes, SE, unfortunately those shampoos are chock full of salicylates. Can't use them. The only two ingredients which aren't SA's are the beer and the kaolin clay. That'd make for a good shaving bar soap, btw. Kaolin clay provides 'slip' for the razor to smoothly glide on the skin.

Panterra, Grrrrr to those uninformed 'friends' of yours who try to push gluten-laden foods at you. If they only knew..... It's like telling someone who's deathly allergic to bees, "Hey! The orange trees are blooming. Let's go for a run through the groves!"... right on the days when the bees are out doing their duty. That's not fun, that's murder. And I had no idea that gluten could be absorbed by the skin. Makes sense though now that I think about it. I actually block my meds walking on freshly cut grass, how 'bout THAT weirdness?!! And I can't cut onions or fresh herbs with my uncovered hands. Our skin does act like a sponge.

Further on the subject of allergies to salicylates I have now today discovered that I am in need of a good clarifying shampoo. This bites ass. I can't use the typical bar soaps for dreadheads because of the extracts and whatnot. But I can use all the chemical crap out here in bottles. BUT a lot of those same shampoos I can use aren't good for dreads; they contain too many moisturizers. Ideas anyone?

Currently I use 1 tsp of baking soda to 1 cup of water and then 2 tsp of white vinegar to 1 cup of water. I am noticing some slight stickiness on my hair when I'm squeezing the water out. What shampoo is good for clarifying and cleaning up dreads but does not contain aloe or any other plant extracts?