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Knotty Jonny Clean
@knotty-jonny-clean
10/07/10 01:15:56PM
13 posts

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Obviously we don't agree on what's "horrible",you think my dreads are "horrible" - but that's beside the point. You have no proof of the numbers you claim - I don't ask for it because I know it's not there - and I'm not claiming the photo montage as proof either - in fact there's really no such thing as "proof" per say - only evidence. The only evidence I have atm are the lists of customers that I keep up with and I guess everyone that sends pictures of the kick ass dreads they've made would be evidence too.... The thing is nobody doubts the efficacy of my products but you and your followers - Most people see you for exactly what you are - your own efforts give them plenty of reason not to trust anything you say. If I have time I'll finish the experiment video, not for you, but for anyone that is looking for repeatable evidence. I understand you just want to drive traffic to your site and get banner and product commissions - that's cool- whatever.I noticed you had time to post a response but it DIDN'T include the pictures I've been waiting for - I guess that says a lot about the confidence you have in your methods.I'd love to chat more but I have work to do...Peace, Locks n' Nappyness,Knotty Jonny C.
Knotty Jonny Clean
@knotty-jonny-clean
10/07/10 12:27:42PM
13 posts

I have questions about dreadwax - yes, I'm really asking this here lol


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You guys are usually great at pretending thousands of satisfied DreadHeads don't exist...Of course when pics are posted and it's obvious they do exist you say their dreads are "awful", "disgusting", "waxy", "ruined" and "stiff"....unfortunately ignoring reality doesn't change reality. It's pretty obvious to everyone else that either you truly don't like dreadlocks that look groomed and "ideal" in many peoples eyes, or you're so hell bent on making your anti-wax point that you'll flat out lie about what you see. At this point I really don't care but I'm glad you're satisfied with how things are going. =]I have to say I feel a lot better about the fact we don't agree. I try to respect the opinion of those who don't share my basic principles but I'm not going to subvert rational judgement out of respect for groundless fantasy.BTW I went looking through your forum for pictures of neglect and twist n rip dreads at two months that had never had the benefits of dread wax or other products or methods. I couldn't find any that really looked like they were locking, but if you can find some and post them along with info about their age, how they were started, and the maintenance they underwent I'd love to take a look.salu2,KJC
Knotty Jonny Clean
@knotty-jonny-clean
09/30/10 06:56:30PM
13 posts

I have questions about dreadwax - yes, I'm really asking this here lol


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I'm glad you got your "proof" now. That settles it. My dreads are terrible - SE said so!(I think you could say I just got proof of something as well.)All this discussion about how to measure the tightness of a dread and this whole time SE had the jedi like ability to "SEE" tightness in a photo! I guess I'll just throw in the towel - there's no need to do any more experiments or look for any other type of objective evidence. We'll all just ask SE and he can tell us when our dreads are tight. He can also tell us if are dreads are "real" and if we are worthy to wear them!Yea...you guys have fun with that.. =]

soaringeagle said:
dude those are hardlt dresded at all after 6 years? mine were more dreaded at 1 month that was exactklly the proof i needed they are not dreaded just glued together
and i requested closeuup pics not another scumbag marketting thing
and that dude shawns dreads are disgusrting knotty sloans are a mess too
get real

your dreads look extremely damaged and not at all dreaded

gimme 15 min ill show u how dreaded dreads should look
Knotty Jonny Clean
@knotty-jonny-clean
09/30/10 06:47:23PM
13 posts

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Really? And I never would have anticipated that..... Wait, let me get this straight.... you DON"T LIKE MY DREADS? I'm devastated....crushed!! I'm not sure I'll ever be able to......oh wait.....I'm over it. 3 ]

Jim the Kraken said:
when I looked at your pictures, your "dreads" looked like they had crusted wax and broken hairs all over the place.
Knotty Jonny Clean
@knotty-jonny-clean
09/30/10 06:03:44PM
13 posts

I have questions about dreadwax - yes, I'm really asking this here lol


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Closeup pics of my dreads!Ok, when the page loads click the play button, after it starts you can hover over the "more" and click on the fullscreen option. If you have a video card it should scroll nice and smooth. Press play to step through the slideshow. You can also zoom and pan at any time.I hope the pro-wax ideas don't offend you guys....you can just ignore the words if they bother you =]http://dreadlocks.tv/dreadlocks-closeup.htmIn response to what SE said:"and dude give it up 0? fuck u dude every fucking day every day we get ppl joined saying they used your crap the 1st time around and had to start over wax free... how can u possibly say u never had 1 dissatisfied customer when not a single day goes by when your dissatisfied customers join us here? read profiles 2/3 well say they fell for your crap and started over without wax and say wax was a huge mistakeeither your lying about never getting complaints or they all just figure your a lier who would only say they over waxed so why complain and get blamed for using your bad products"I don't need to find an explanation for why people don't contact me about wax issues because I'm not trying to convince anyone that there are countless masses that have had a wax issue....that's your racket. If I had to guess why those that have in fact had an issue did not contact me I'd say it was due to their finding this or similar sites that make them feel like I wouldn't do everything in my power to help someone that had an issue... Since I posted an open invitation on this forum - which comes up for dread wax issues and which I would assume is a common destination for someone with a wax issue I haven't had one customer or anyone else email me with a current issue looking for help. This should give you some idea of the staggering number of people looking for help over the last month. In any case one disappointed customer is too many so I'm eager to improve the info and instructions so that no one need repeat the bad experiences that some have had."and every 1 of your glowing testimonials u claim to get is only in the 1st Weeks till they realize how screwed they are"Not so much but umm..yea... IDK man, Our realities are just so opposite - there's no point to making such comments. We'd look like idiots to continue that - we both know it's going nowhere. Let's focus instead on the specifics of an ACTUAL bad wax experience and see if we can learn anything new.I'd like to get a volunteer - someone that used only DHHQ products (DHHQ wax and soap) to start and maintain their dreads -who followed the instructions very closely - someone who's dreads locked up but then who found it impossible to remove the wax with a hot rinse.Is there anyone on this forum that meets that description?peace n' respect,KJC
updated by @knotty-jonny-clean: 07/20/15 02:09:15AM
Knotty Jonny Clean
@knotty-jonny-clean
09/27/10 04:27:04PM
13 posts

I have questions about dreadwax - yes, I'm really asking this here lol


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First a quick question. If there were no wax or no crochet hooks or no lock doctors...or any of the other things you rail against....Lets say they were all replaced by a completely harmless product that made dreads lock instantly - what would you tell people about this new wonder-product?Ok, about the wax....Please don't confuse the following:Everyone who has ever had a bad experience using any dread wax or wax type product - in any way they cared to or were instructed toANDMy customers who have used only my products and have followed my instructionsFrom the beginning I've taught people that there were times to use wax and times to avoid it, I've talked incessantly about how little should be used and how to remove it monthly. The competition on the other hand posts videos where dreads are smeared down with ounces of wax with virtually no info about removal or it's appropriate function. To gloss over this as if it doesn't matter and pretend that I'm somehow responsible for the issues which their ignorance and lack of instruction has caused is not just a distortion, it's dishonest. I'm happy to take responsibility for my products and my actions but I'm not going to accept blame for other peoples mistakes just because we both sell products for dreadlocks.I'm not going to hop around from topic to topic with no objective and no basis for discussion to give of the appearance of a debate. There's no point in continuing a discussion based on opinions and feelings. The Dreadlocks Treaty Debate will continue to discuss facts. If you can limit yourself to that type of discussion your input is not only welcome, it's encouraged.BTW, If my customers every start complaining to me about my wax (or about any other product or technique) I'll make changes happen - and fast. I'm ready and willing. The problem is that I get glowing testimonials not complaints. If any other type of order or shipping issue occurs my customers have no problems getting in touch with me so I'm going to continue to assume that they could contact me if they had a problem with my wax.Excuse me if I don't put too much weight on the numbers you estimate. The only number I care about is the number of verifiable customers of mine who are using my products in accordance with the instructions and have contacted me because they have an issue - an issue I can't solve. That number is 0 and has always been 0 and until that changes I'm not going to take wild claims about my products ruining dreads very seriously.....even if you claim really really high numbers.The 6 people I mentioned - I'm not talking about who is still here continuing the thread now - that's the total number of people, the whole time this thread has been running, who have said they used only my products (in any manner) and have had an issue removing the wax. I expect that everyone that is an active member in this forum has had a chance to see this thread now... it's been over a month now....I've heard a couple times now that you'd like to see some type of "THIS PRODUCT RUINS EVERYTHING IT TOUCHES" warning on the wax page... Obviously I don't agree with the warnings you've proposed and to post them would be dishonest but I'll tell you what I would happily add to the wax page. A terms and conditions that you have to agree to. It would go something like this:I agree to use this product in accordance with the instructions on this site to the best of my ability,and I agree that if I should ever experience any problem of any type - or if I ever find myself, in any way unsatisfied by it's performance, I willcontact Jonny Clean and let him know while I'm experiencing the issue so that he can assist me.Let me know what you think!Ok, changing gears.I also read your post about how you believe that hair has experiences trapped in it - that dreadlocks are more than the sum of their parts (dead hair cells) - that there are things in the hair in dreads that we can't measure - or observe .In what ways do you think these beliefs about dreadlocks influence your ideas about how they should be cared for? How do they effect what you think is an "ideal" dread?I don't know which pics in your pics section are of dreads that are:2 months oldstarted with twist and rip or neglectnever backcombednever waxednever crochetednothing used on them but BS/ACVUsually just the age is posted with the pic right? You guys know the details, not me....If someone would take the time to find a few which meet this criteria I'd really appreciate it.Lastly, what pics of my dreads do you want to see? I'd be happy to but aren't you just going to insist they look waxy and stiff no matter what they look like? =]talk soon,KJC
Knotty Jonny Clean
@knotty-jonny-clean
09/22/10 07:03:18AM
13 posts

I have questions about dreadwax - yes, I'm really asking this here lol


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Look SE, =] I'm not going to go there. There's no point in a he said / she said - argument of opinions. You know what you've seen and I know what I've seen. Period. You have no way of convincing me that my product fails most of the time and I have no way of convincing you it succeeds. I don't think that's going to change and we've already wasted plenty of time going down that road.If what you really want to do is "save the dreads" then help me focus on what you have experience with - the dreads that failed. I heard from 6 people here that used my product and got it stuck in their dreads. Info from theses people is extremely valuable to me because they represent the only people I've been able to find that have used the product as instructed and had a removal issue. In order for their experience to save dreads though we need to get some more specific info like:1)What shampoos/soaps did you use?2)What was your section size or range? (be as specific as possible)3)How tight were the dreads when you stopped using wax?4)How long had you had the dreads when you stopped using wax?5)What steps did you take to remove the wax? (be as specific as possible)6)What year did you purchase the wax and from where?7)What method did you used to initially create the knots?I think it would be awesome if we could put aside our differences and work together to save dreads - instead of just arguing about the "right" way to do them.Thank you for your help.-KJCPS: I'm still eagerly awaiting some pictures. I'm hoping that out of the many pictures posted here that someone can find some pictures of 2 month old dreads started with neglect and with twist and rip - that have NEVER been waxed or crocheted. I've been very patient w/ this request. Any information on it's progress would be very much appreciated.soaringeagle said:
98%?. dude try 10% 90% dread loss 90% disatisfied or downright pissed off

and i met 1 exactly 1 with 10 year old dreads that used and supported your wax but..he insisted that the only safe way was to NOT FOLLOW YOPUR INSTRUCTIONS not use it to make dreads at all not melt it in ever only use a tiny ammount (1/10th the recomended) only on the surface only as a conditioner

now i did meet about 6 who had 6 year old waxy dreads and they honnestly were gross


and again improving wax or instructions is not the answer..discontinuing it is
if u want to help people start instant dreads thats fine finbd a safter alternative to crochet and felting one thats not so damaging
there was a guy who invented a dreading machine it was a joke but
u could take a simular concept that takes hairs and spins them on multiple interlocking wheels that nearly imitate random intertwining and starts fairly tigt even locks fast
i dont know many who would use it except as u say ppl why dont understand dreads and want something instant

now the biggest issue here is no disclamer
u market a product that for many many people means they have to cut and start =over and u dont warn on ity that if you decide you want permenant wax free dreads you may need to start over
you market it as the best and only way to dread
so people wanting clean real permenant dreads fall for it and get pissed off having to start over right

and yet the truth still remains that dreads do indeed dread faster without wax..that is a proven fact
yet u still refuse to admit it and matket wax as a way to speed it up instead of just making ioty look like its mature while delaying or even preventing true maturity


now i requested close up detailed macro pics of your dreads ..i realllly want to see how dreaded or undreaded yours are at 6 years
im betting any of outr 6 month wax free dreads look more mature on close inspection
Knotty Jonny Clean
@knotty-jonny-clean
09/21/10 05:12:27PM
13 posts

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I totally hear what you are saying... Wax is fine for "temporary dreads" but it shouldn't be used for permanent dreads.I really can't act on that though. The reason is simple - and you know the reason =]I'm not going to debate it, instead I'll just state that due to personal experience I believe that dread wax, when used according to the instructions, works fine for permanent dreads. I personally know people that started their dreads with my wax 10 years ago and they still sing it's praises today. Many of my friends used my product to start their dreads 5 or more years ago. Again PLEASE understand - I am not trying to convince you or change your minds. I'm only say this so you can understand why I feel I would be lying if I were to say "Wax is just for making temporary dreads". I am so sorry that it doesn't always work - the last thing in the world I want to do is disappoint people - there are enough disappointing things in the world, dreadlocks should NOT be another one. I know it doesn't work all the time -but that doesn't me it does not EVER work. It does. As far as I can tell it works about 99-98% of the time when the instructions are followed and because of that I don't think it's a bad product. I also think that with better instructions I can bump that up to 100% - and I very much want to.Since I'm never going to convince you guys that it EVER works =] - (and I'm ok with that now) - what I really need to do is get your help so I can improve the product. The questions I posted (I'll post them again below) will really help me do that.In the end - whether someone decides to use my method, or your method - we both want them to be happy with their dreads. In this way we are working toward the same goal.I also want you to know that because of what I learned here I am working even harder at a wax alternative. I would LOVE to have a product that you guys could get behind. Because of the failures that have occured wax will never be that product and I totally get that - but I hope that I can soon show you guys an alternative that you can embrace for those that want (or need) to make dreads happen faster than they can on their own.mad thanks,KJC
Knotty Jonny Clean
@knotty-jonny-clean
09/21/10 07:56:51AM
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I have to apologize. I didnt come here to discuss or to debate the effectiveness of dreadwax or its removability. (Yet thats what we started to do and I take full responsibility) I understand that the majority of the members here only recognize one possible outcome when dreadwax is used. If the first hand testimony of satisfied wax users isnt sufficient reason to consider another outcome, there is no way anything I could say or demonstrate could cause you to think differently. I thank you for reminding me of it so we dont continue to waste each others time.I would like to learn as much as possible about the outcome that you do believe in - the one where wax does not work.So far 6 members have said they used DHHQ wax alone (not mixed with other waxes) and had trouble removing it. Id like to ask these members who used my wax a few more questions:1)What shampoos/soaps did you use?2)What was your section size or range? (be as specific as possible)3)How tight were the dreads when you stopped using wax?4)How long had you had the dreads when you stopped using wax?5)What steps did you take to remove the wax? (be as specific as possible)6)What year did you purchase the wax and from where?7)What method did you used to initially create the knots?Thank you for your help!-KJC
Knotty Jonny Clean
@knotty-jonny-clean
09/17/10 04:07:52PM
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You are right...I did miss the point of the proposed experiment. Usually the objective of a experiment is stated - I was just guessing. Thanks for clearing that up.What's more important though is your apparent belief that I think the presence of wax alone would or could help hair dread... I think it's important to make it clear that I DO NOT think wax by itself would help the process. It may - it may not (I'd guess it wouldn't) - But I don't see any relevance at all since all my claims and beliefs about what wax does (and doesn't do) are closely related to the context of how it's used.Just as I can guarantee wax will benefit locking if used correctly I can equally guarantee it will slow locking if used improperly. It is only a tool. It does not replace you as the one in control.I agree that waxing alone, without palmrollling, is more or less useless but I don't see how this has any bearing on it's effectiveness when it's used correctly.Let's say I took your baking soda mixture and lightly sprinkled some on a few of my dreads and left it there. Would I get the same results as if I had used it according to your instructions? Of course not. Does that mean that it couldn't have gotten different results if I used it correctly? Of course not.I don't see how waxing without palmrolling is any different.If you want your experiment to show us what really happens when wax is used correctly, then you must use the wax "as it's recommended". You can do what you like of course, but it's not going to persuade anyone if it has to logical relation to how wax is actually used. All you'd prove is that it doesn't work when it's not used correctly. I or anyone else can tell you that....no experiment is needed.It's funny you mention the Lady Jeebus's (I think that's her name) experiment on youtube.If you watch it with the sound off you'll see two dreads - one waxed -one not. Both were started properly with good knots. She maintains the waxed dread more or less as directed except she makes to attempt to remove the wax with a hot rinse. (I think she may also add wax at a regular interval which is not recommended but I'm not certain on that)Basically she just adds the wax- the waxed dread looks much smoother, then the dread tightens as it's supposed to (in fact I'd say it tightens nice and quick)- she FREAKS OUT - and rather than removing the wax she cuts open the dread to find it still inside. OF COURSE ITS STILL INSIDE!!! She made no attempt to remove it. lol I never made any public response to that video - I think it clearly shows the benefits of wax and the fact that it's touted as proof that wax is bad is really entertaining.Are those pictures coming btw? I'd really like to see'em.Respect-KJCsoaringeagle said:
umm u missed the entire point of the experriment and why no washing and monthly wax removal according to directiions was needed or wanted
ther point of the experiment had nothing to do with how removable wax is
it has to do with wether wax helps speed or slow dreading!

thats why no palm rolling is permitted
the wax is applied and only normal daily activities are simulated..moving and sleeping

then the wax is removed (if its possible to remove) and see if the wax free or previosly waxed dread is actually more dreaded
the experiment should co on with both sets after the wax is removed to test progress beyond the waxy period to see which reaches acvtual maturity not faked msaturity 1st
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