my point exactly
stop watching!!!
Klete said:I love watchin college football, i dig it alot. Gotta love those huskers!!! Also like baseball and golf, go figure. Yea, they make tons of money and some of them are assholes, but they wouldnt make that much if people didnt watch them
Why is there a debate where we are talking about the mass genocide of an animal that has been created only to be forced into a life of fear torture and death.
Lets get real omnivores... the argument is not about eating meat or not its about how to go about doing it. Vegan diets are just as irresponsible if you only rely on packaged proccesed junk.
Lets say all the die hard omni's are gonna eat only wild meat that they hunt themselves... we would most likely need to hunt deer for viable meat (at least here in my region). Now everyone says "well they are overpopulated so that would be a perfect solution... BS they are under homed fro all of our developing and industrializing. If as a whole humans stopped "raising" meat, we would irradicate most species within a decade. There is no counterbalance. Unfortunatey the cancer and heart disease would not kill us off quite fast enough to control the "prey" population.
All we have to do is rely on fruit trees and free growing greens. Grains are a staple cause they are cheap and easy. Eating a proper plant based diet, we would never be able to over eat the fruits and veggies. My god, did you know that in most countries there are abandoned fruit orchards where enough fruit to feed citites just falls to the ground to rot every year.
If you are saying meat is justifiable as food but you do not support factory farming and you realizre that "raising" meat is in the long run unsustainable than you must be falling back on hunting. Sounds noble but just as unsustainable.
oh really? where exactly have u heard that shoved down your throught as truth before? when have ya seen commercials or news stories ever saying that..u havent ya are fed the opposite all the time
but..if you just think a momment
all nutrients must come from somewhere..the source of all being soil and sunlight (and ofcourse the replenishment of soil by death and decay ..and shit)
there is a cycle ..but it all comes through the soil..the source nutrients are vegatable sources (unless your a vegatable yourself then the source is soil and rotting organic matter)
if you take foiliage out of the equation, all life would cease to exist..there would be no source
for instance look at a dead lsake, the vegatatiojn in a body of water does, the fish that feed off the vegatation die..then the fish that feed off the fish that eat the vegatation dies and the lake becomes lifeless
Klete said:And what pr shit have you been reading up on?? Looks to me like you've bitten hook line and sinker SE
soaringeagle said:scientific study or pr bullshit
u ever wonder why everry week on the news theres a new story like "scientists recently discoverted that ...(eggs wine milk steak whatever) gives so miraculouse benifit 1 weeek carbs grains and nuts cyre cancer the next week tobaco canabilism and blood sucking are good for the heart..(ok extreme exageration but ya get the point) thewse so called news reports are actualy ads bought by pr firms made to look like news, they always use stock footage thats very generic, dont quote sources and dont interview anyone..theyre just made to look likere scientific studies to sell ya on products..in this case..meat
the truth is they cant really trace what caused out brain development to any 1 factor..thats why alot of scientists believe in alien intervention..genetic seeding by an akien race
if cooking meat did have anything to do with it it would be much more likely that discovering fire and learning how to use itt as a tool lead to excercizing the brain and discovering other useful things
correct me if im wrong..but..wasnt einstein a vegatarian all his life?
i think i heard that anyways
and didnt civilization first begin in arabain and india which for thousands of yours.,possibly always have been mostly veg? (i have no daya on this but think egypt too, just based on seeing hiroglyphics of farming veggies aklong the nile flood planes but never seeing anything bout hunting or farm animals)
to me it would seej the oposites true, during the drk ages and the crusades which were very barbaric, meat consumption was the norm..and ppl were killed if they had an original thought (like the earth revolves ariund the sun)
the more i think about it the more i believe meat consumption slowed the advancement in scientific discovery
Matted Dew said:i totally agree with yah on the bigger brain, the bigger problems, and all the BS titles doctors try and put on being not normal...
Either way I'm jus goin to agree to disagree wiht u cuz it's a purdy said fact that our brains develloped greatly from eating cooked meat, it's sum scientifc shwat about the meat being cooked brings out these necessary proteins that allowed or brains to deveop the frontal lobe more indepthly (or sumthin to that affect) hahahahha!
nams
soaringeagle said:it wouyld have been good
but i definately dont think eatting meat affected our brain development..being that it was basicly a toxin we were bareky able to adapt to out of nesesity ot would more then likely slow the development
unless ya concider a larger brain as a sorta cancerouse overgrowth
whicvh in a way would make sence i mean..do animals suffer from mental illnesses? psychosis depression multiple personalities..have ya ever met a dog that was convinced it wass god?
perhaps the overgrowrth of our brains was a condition of disease
i mean..who do u know who is truly comopletely sane withiut any mental issues
our brains are so messed up that we had to come up with thousands of disorders to explain allthe ways wre messed up
a big brain just means more brain to go insane
what proven fact are you reffering to?
all that was was a guess not even a theory.. they said that there probably was receding forrests..probably wasnt enough nutrients probablt7yy if they hadnt eatten meat..blah blah blah all based on totaly false assumptions..like why would the forrests be receding if we hadnt started deforrestation?
its all made up bullshit there aint 1 shred of proven evidence in it..its barekly even a valid opinion
Matted Dew said:The article nor me are trying to promote full out CARNivorism(SP) but to say that alien intervention is more propable than a scientific proven facet is just...well...absurd,
we could sit here and argue back and forth on our own views for daze probably; therefore im simply guna tip my hat to you SE and agree to disagree
Nams
soaringeagle said:ok i just read that aetifcle which makes no sence at all
lets look at nutrients
the source of all nutrientws is sun and soil
from sun and soil plants extract what they need and create more complex nutrients
animals then eat the plants and produce nutrients in theyre bodies, much of which is burned off just keeping them awlive so needs constant replenishment
carnivores (true carnivores) get they nutriente second hand by consumming meat.. 1 killed animal is 1 meal..that 1 meal had to consume thousands of meals of plant life to provide enough nutrients in ites bodt to sustain a fcarnivore for 1 day..
to say there wouldnt be enough plant life to get the nutrients needed to develop our brains is saying there wouldnt be enough plany6t life to have any animals survive there to hunt
lets look at the food situation in the world todsay
if ther was a 20% reduction in the meat industry.. that would mean millions of tons of grains and veggies that go tio feeding cattle and chickens would be freed uo for people
not only that but.. millions of acres are used for cattle herds to produce a reklatively small amount of food, if those same acres were used to produce veggies combine that with the food taken away from feeding cattle and guess whatr that would do to the world hunger situation?
thats right there would be a massive surplus of food
more farms that ya see today grow food for cattle then grow food for people
1 cow eats many many tons of grain a year..every yewar for maybe 5-10 years before being slaughtered to get 800 pounds or so of beef
the food fed ti keep 1 cow alive a year could keep 10 people alive a year
everything about that article is flawed
there just would be no game to hunt if there was no vegatation for animals to feed on
carnivores can hunt carnivores ofcourse and get the nutrients 3rd hand but if there were only carnivores there would be no inflow of nutrients at all and the whole food chainwould collapse
scientific study or pr bullshit
u ever wonder why everry week on the news theres a new story like "scientists recently discoverted that ...(eggs wine milk steak whatever) gives so miraculouse benifit 1 weeek carbs grains and nuts cyre cancer the next week tobaco canabilism and blood sucking are good for the heart..(ok extreme exageration but ya get the point) thewse so called news reports are actualy ads bought by pr firms made to look like news, they always use stock footage thats very generic, dont quote sources and dont interview anyone..theyre just made to look likere scientific studies to sell ya on products..in this case..meat
the truth is they cant really trace what caused out brain development to any 1 factor..thats why alot of scientists believe in alien intervention..genetic seeding by an akien race
if cooking meat did have anything to do with it it would be much more likely that discovering fire and learning how to use itt as a tool lead to excercizing the brain and discovering other useful things
correct me if im wrong..but..wasnt einstein a vegatarian all his life?
i think i heard that anyways
and didnt civilization first begin in arabain and india which for thousands of yours.,possibly always have been mostly veg? (i have no daya on this but think egypt too, just based on seeing hiroglyphics of farming veggies aklong the nile flood planes but never seeing anything bout hunting or farm animals)
to me it would seej the oposites true, during the drk ages and the crusades which were very barbaric, meat consumption was the norm..and ppl were killed if they had an original thought (like the earth revolves ariund the sun)
the more i think about it the more i believe meat consumption slowed the advancement in scientific discovery
Matted Dew said:i totally agree with yah on the bigger brain, the bigger problems, and all the BS titles doctors try and put on being not normal...
Either way I'm jus goin to agree to disagree wiht u cuz it's a purdy said fact that our brains develloped greatly from eating cooked meat, it's sum scientifc shwat about the meat being cooked brings out these necessary proteins that allowed or brains to deveop the frontal lobe more indepthly (or sumthin to that affect) hahahahha!
nams
soaringeagle said:it wouyld have been good
but i definately dont think eatting meat affected our brain development..being that it was basicly a toxin we were bareky able to adapt to out of nesesity ot would more then likely slow the development
unless ya concider a larger brain as a sorta cancerouse overgrowth
whicvh in a way would make sence i mean..do animals suffer from mental illnesses? psychosis depression multiple personalities..have ya ever met a dog that was convinced it wass god?
perhaps the overgrowrth of our brains was a condition of disease
i mean..who do u know who is truly comopletely sane withiut any mental issues
our brains are so messed up that we had to come up with thousands of disorders to explain allthe ways wre messed up
a big brain just means more brain to go insane
