official johnny clean dreadlocks and dread wax debate may 7th 8pm est

i do think he was making a satyical comentary on the whole group idea but did kinda cross lines there calling 1 real 1 fake and putting them at war thats nit rightin fact i concider them more misinformed victims then anything but if they dont feel victimized even that can be concidered an insult and i dint mean to be insulting just believe they miss out on much of the majic and experience dreading has to offerand i think theyre being robbed willinglyi just was made aware dhhq sells a spray bottle with a lil salt in it (add your own water) for 10 bucks you can go to a supermarket but enough sea salt for 75 bottles for 2 bucks Sylph said:

I think that perpetuating this idea of separate groups is trouble. You yourselves disagreed with it at first and are now using it to create insulting little anecdotes. See, now, I could see if we were ALL elves. Maybe one 'group' could be wood elves, and the other dark elves or what not....at least that suggests that we all have a commonality.

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ok fun is fun but .. we need to behave here lil more guysi appreciate this lil rant but lets not try to make it a natural vs made war here guys thats totaly not the point theres unity in truth.. stress the truth not seperationbring them in dont push them awayok u call it a robot army a robots controlled by programming programmings only as good as the data thats fed into otdeprogramming starts with good datastart by pointing out contradictions then replace them with truth...lets play nice gyys and try to educate not alienate


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Sorry, SE...I drank a whole bottle of I am annoying and I don't give a damn today.I even poured some in my cereal. I'm sorry for calling the dreads of knights of the square table "fake," I apologize. But as you said, I feel as if they're missing out on the magic of natural dreading and I feel like they don't understand the kind of heart and soul that it takes to commit to it. There is lots of joy in dreading naturally. However I did forget to mention that I dipped all of our arrows in poison of love and soul so hopefully this will help everyone become a little more accepting and forgiving, ect. Although I dropped a bit of my blood into the poison so it might make them grow pointy ears so that they can be a little more like us...Although I know that most of you think my story was a joke...It symbolizes the truth very well, in my opinion...it happened once, it really did.Back before the collapse of the planet of that planet of....UKRAINE!!!And back before the claw was our leader and the claw chooses who must go and who must stay. The story happened, it did and it's happening again...although there will be no war.Because most of us are outside by a fire and most of the knights are at the mall. soaringeagle said:

i do think he was making a satyical comentary on the whole group idea but did kinda cross lines there calling 1 real 1 fake and putting them at war thats nit right
in fact i concider them more misinformed victims then anything but if they dont feel victimized even that can be concidered an insult and i dint mean to be insulting just believe they miss out on much of the majic and experience dreading has to offer

and i think theyre being robbed willingly
i just was made aware dhhq sells a spray bottle with a lil salt in it (add your own water) for 10 bucks you can go to a supermarket but enough sea salt for 75 bottles for 2 bucks

Sylph said:

I think that perpetuating this idea of separate groups is trouble. You yourselves disagreed with it at first and are now using it to create insulting little anecdotes. See, now, I could see if we were ALL elves. Maybe one 'group' could be wood elves, and the other dark elves or what not....at least that suggests that we all have a commonality.

haha okwell back to realityjohnny proposed 2 new versions of the questionso u all can review those but i propose we tack onto question 1 or as a question 1b amendment something like:and can you explain why you are scared to answer the question in the same place its asked where discussion can take place and your fans can see both sides? a debate is only a debate if both sides are presented. and a debates only a debate if you answer questions as asked. so why cant ypu simply answer a question?


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well reword what he said and you get what hre really was sayinghe wanted the debate held on his turf so he could rewrite the questions to sure the answersand he wants to be sure noone sees both sides of the discussion only his side


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oh i totaly would appoint you to rewrite the questions i cant think of anyone better fot r the jobmaybe you and rags colaborate, but you temper her passionumm has anyone else noticed johnny has been signed in to the site nonstop?his treatty wasnt to engage us in discussion it was to stir up drama get ppl going wtf? start a war between the hairy trolls and the knights in sticky armor (why is it 2 outta 3 times i intend to type knights i type knots?)johnny is kinda a circus master or pupateer manipulating the situation to his benifitlook how when the 1st antiwax sites showed up he used that as an opportunity to make a 5 part vid series to sell more wax (even tho the vids made no sense)he reworded the question 1 just so he could add dreadheadhq to it twice marketting to make fools believe his wax is ok all other waxes are bad.when u reword the questionsincludewhat is the precise viscosity of wax at a safe to skin yemp of 110 f annd how does that viscosity compate to other residues you recomend avoiding like fragerance.


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ok ..the crowds getting restless bottles are being thrown at the empty stageweve opened our site to a debate and the main act well wasnt a no show but he strolled on out with a smug lil wave took a bow and walked off stagesure the debate was a way to get at the truth and yea i expected the truth to make him look bad (not the intention but a side effect) but all the avoidance and dancing round the meanning of the questions just making him look worse then simple truth would..maybe we need to somplifythe questions as followsis wax wax?is residue residue?is wax residue?is scent residue?is wax thicker then oil?if oils hard to wash out why is wax easy?if theres a safe alternative (aloe) why sell an unsafe one?is that not proffitting from misinformation?if you could ship aloe in plant or refidgerated opure gel foem easier would you discontinue wax?how do you justify selling 2 teaspoons of sea salt in a bottle for 10 mucks when for 2 bucks you can get enough for 378 bottles?before starting dhhq were you a pockpocket or con artist? (not an accusation or a either or question just a test of your honnesty now, if you can admit past screwups maybe you can admit pressent ones too)do you realize your ripping people off with 300+ % markups abnd selling stuff noone needs but insisting they do need it?when people realize the only useful thing in a 70 dollar dread kit is a 2 dollar comb do you accept returns of the unused and unwanted items?is your only choices in life .. real job porn site or scammer?


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When I try to type dead...I almost always type dread, haha.I guess this is what it really is.Jonny Clean is giving all of his attention to his customers and none to us because we can grow dreads without that crap so he feels no need to explain his reasoning for why you use this and what it really does because we already know. So why bother?The Dread Of The Blood Elves...(that just sounds awesome)The ones who are meant to experience the true power of dreading and the lifestyle change will find us and they will dread naturally and that will give us a connection to each other. it's a spiritual connection to everything. While this probably sounds cheesy/stupid (even to me) I do understand it but unfortunately Jonny Cleans customers won't. But that's okay because it's just not for everyone and to be honest, I like it that way. Only we walk that path and us alone. Not the rest of the world. We go against the grain.Square Table Knights...Well you guy's dread and you dread and you dread...You dread for many different reasons. You dread for change, for vanity, for art, for whatever reasons, they are very different reasons than "group 2"...and in this way we will not agree.I understand why but at the same time...I see that there is greater accomplishment, knowledge, strengths, advantages and happiness in natural dreading.I would rather go bald than force my hair into dreadlocks.Forcing your hair to dread in a certain way is like forcing your hair to stand up straight or part in the "perfect" spot. It's just a waste of time and I've never been into "forcing my hair (or anything for that matter) into something that it isn't." It's just not my style.I don't agree with trying to be something that I'm not.But the bottom line is that you can do what you want and apparently you can now force your hair (with lots of effort) to become dreadlocks. As for this debate...it's not a debate. /PostBut the funniest thing about this entire debate thing is Jonny's one line...I'm not going to quote it exactly as it was written but it was something like..."I'm too lazy to get a real job so I had to choose between being in the porn industry or being a scammer." So basically the entire thing comes down to Jonny's choice to be lazy and not getting a real job. Way to go Jonny. Time to get a real job yet?
updated by @greygargoyle: 07/10/15 03:35:59AM

I'm on the same page as Marla. When I first got dreads it was at least in part due to the fact that I LOVED the style. I felt that it would be an extension of my identity. I also was looking for something that would help me to release my vanity as far as what other people thought of me. It was only after putting them in (and they are only 3 months old) that I discovered the inherent spiritual nature of dreadlocks. To me it is unavoidable for dreadlocks to be a spiritual experience, and I don't think that dreadlocks that are 'made' are any less valid than those that are 'grown' ultimately. They all end up the same. I am probably fortunately that my skepticism kept me from using dread wax because I may or may not have ended up far worse off if I had, but as knotty sleeves said I think the biggest thing is that people are educated on both sides of the argument. If the still choose to use wax, then more power to them. Am I still a knight, too? At least I have the clarity to remain open-minded and respectful about the opinions and beliefs of others.

Has anyone gone to his website and read his answer to question one. Its in Dreadlock Treaty Discussion on the right.I will not comment too much but politicians give more direct answers.