never said they dont feel joy, i just said joy wasnt the point of existance.
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Vegetarian, to be or not to be?
@spider-feet
15 years ago
458 posts
Interesting debate....I will definitely stay out of it. XD
@crazy-amanda
15 years ago
26 posts
yea i say vegetarian too...its liek hey yeah im a pescetarian and they look at u and liek to pretned they know what it is when u can clearly tell by the look on there face that they have NO idea lol.. omg holliannepage i would LOVEEEE more than anything to have a garden like yours... i dont no the first thing about it tho lmao..im sure if i tryed i could do it though! HolliannePage said:
I usually just consider myself vegetarian, however, I do eat fish. People don't always know what a pescatarian is, and I don't always feel like explaining because "the catch" is that I stick with fish I have caught. (haha, lame pun I know)
There are so many reasons to consider becoming a vegetarian or vegan. Ethical and health issues are probably the most common really.
Health-wise, becoming a vegetarian is about as healthy as you can get IF YOU LEARN TO BALANCE YOUR DIET. Some people become vegetarian and eat too much bread, or too many fruits, or sweets or whatever. Everything needs to be in balance to have a healthy, stable life. (Not just food.)
Ethically speaking, I just can't stand eating something that has been raised in such horrible conditions that many animals are raised in today.
The transition was fairly easy for me, however, I didn't eat that much meat to start with.
The transition was made even easier when I began to realize how much better I felt. I used to feel lethargic, listless, my skin wasn't that great, I never slept well. By balancing out my diet, I get a plethora of different vitamins and nutrients that I wasn't getting. I am at a healthy weight, my complexion is world's better, and overall I feel better.
Most of all, I am comforted knowing that the food I eat is not at the disadvantage to any helpless animal.
My parntner is not vegetarian, so we try to catch a lot of fish. lol. Meal time can be tricky, however, it's gotten easier to cook his chicken or whatever while seperately preparing my food.
I think being a vegetarian has become more accepted, so I don't get much ridicule.However, occasionally someone will think they are being clever and retort to my lifestyle with, "Well, it's already dead! Might as well eat it."
Well, just because it's dead doesn't mean I support the ways in which it reached my plate.
I just think abut all those other people choosing this lifestlye and think about how one person at a time can really make a difference.
Plus, being a vegetarian is really eye opening and can be fun. You learn about a million different fruits, vegetables, and herbs that you never knew existed or that you could eat. Also, maintaining your own garden is amazing. Right now my boyfriend and I have corn, tomatoes, peppers, sunflowers, different kinds of lettuce, cherries, avocado, mint, basil, lemon grass...and many more things! Gardening is fun and very rewarding.
Anyways, it's great that you are considering this lifestlye and finding out so much information on it!
Best of wishes Jo!
@didjeridurian
15 years ago
292 posts
With this diet, what is the nutritional foundation? Is it dependent upon fish for some reason or do you just have a hard time giving up meat altogether so youallow yourself to have fish.I could probably look up the diet but I think I could get a more experiential answer from someone like you gguys who actually practice it. Crazy Amanda said:
yea i say vegetarian too...its liek hey yeah im a pescetarian and they look at u and liek to pretned they know what it is when u can clearly tell by the look on there face that they have NO idea lol.. omg holliannepage i would LOVEEEE more than anything to have a garden like yours... i dont no the first thing about it tho lmao..im sure if i tryed i could do it though!
HolliannePage said:I usually just consider myself vegetarian, however, I do eat fish. People don't always know what a pescatarian is, and I don't always feel like explaining because "the catch" is that I stick with fish I have caught. (haha, lame pun I know)
There are so many reasons to consider becoming a vegetarian or vegan. Ethical and health issues are probably the most common really.
Health-wise, becoming a vegetarian is about as healthy as you can get IF YOU LEARN TO BALANCE YOUR DIET. Some people become vegetarian and eat too much bread, or too many fruits, or sweets or whatever. Everything needs to be in balance to have a healthy, stable life. (Not just food.)
Ethically speaking, I just can't stand eating something that has been raised in such horrible conditions that many animals are raised in today.
The transition was fairly easy for me, however, I didn't eat that much meat to start with.
The transition was made even easier when I began to realize how much better I felt. I used to feel lethargic, listless, my skin wasn't that great, I never slept well. By balancing out my diet, I get a plethora of different vitamins and nutrients that I wasn't getting. I am at a healthy weight, my complexion is world's better, and overall I feel better.
Most of all, I am comforted knowing that the food I eat is not at the disadvantage to any helpless animal.
My parntner is not vegetarian, so we try to catch a lot of fish. lol. Meal time can be tricky, however, it's gotten easier to cook his chicken or whatever while seperately preparing my food.
I think being a vegetarian has become more accepted, so I don't get much ridicule.However, occasionally someone will think they are being clever and retort to my lifestyle with, "Well, it's already dead! Might as well eat it."
Well, just because it's dead doesn't mean I support the ways in which it reached my plate.
I just think abut all those other people choosing this lifestlye and think about how one person at a time can really make a difference.
Plus, being a vegetarian is really eye opening and can be fun. You learn about a million different fruits, vegetables, and herbs that you never knew existed or that you could eat. Also, maintaining your own garden is amazing. Right now my boyfriend and I have corn, tomatoes, peppers, sunflowers, different kinds of lettuce, cherries, avocado, mint, basil, lemon grass...and many more things! Gardening is fun and very rewarding.
Anyways, it's great that you are considering this lifestlye and finding out so much information on it!
Best of wishes Jo!
@matted-dew
15 years ago
213 posts
'Our purpose is to live peacfully and create joy for ourselves. Animals already do that.'Animals eat animals? thats wut ive seeeeeenand that part about eagles goin up 10 miles high, vberyvbery interrrreestin
@didjeridurian
15 years ago
292 posts
Of course animals eat animals because thats what they must do. If they didn't there would be no population control. And that is why they are well equipped to do so. If the population of prey animals got too high they would overeat the plants and many animals would starve as species fell like dominos. Its the natural balance.When we eat animlas we decimate species because its unnatural. We have to "raise" new animals to slaughter in order to continue this kind of lunacy. Matted Dew said:
Our purpose is to live peacfully and create joy for ourselves. Animals already do that.
Animals eat animals? thats wut ive seeeeeen
and that part about eagles goin up 10 miles high, vberyvbery interrrreestin
@didjeridurian
15 years ago
292 posts
My diet is 100% fresh raw fruits and veggies.I primarily eat sweet fruits for the bulk of my diet. The rest is filled with non sweet fruits like cucumber, peppers, squash,etc. I eat tender veggies like celery but I avoid coarse mature veggies like broccoli, cabbage, Kale, etc. and I also avoid starchy veggies.I eat about a pound of greens semi daily and I don't eat any salt, onions, garlic, spices, etc.When I transitioned to a raw vegan diet I was eating a "gourmet raw" transitional diet with many nuts and seeds, sea salts, spices, and improper combination. As I got healthier and more sensitivie I slowly transitioned to the fresh whole food diet I am using now. In my work I still utilize the transitionl approach to help my clients improve their health through raw veganism.Fish is a high protein food that is true, however the aminos we derive from fish can be found in a much better form in fruits. Even by eating only fruits and vegetables I still meet and even exceed my amino requirements in a perfectrly balanced ratio. As for "protein" protein is only amino chains anyway so why not just get the aminos straight away without the hassle of ineficient recombination.Its like if you are making a dress for yourself. Are you gonna go to the store and buy 10 or 11 dresses (proteins) go home and cut them all up into pieces (aminos) and piece together all of the fragments into a dress that fits you? Or will you just go to the craft store and get the raw materials to make your dress exactly right for you with a fraction of the time and effort. HolliannePage said:
I am just curious, what does your diet mostly consist of?
This isn't a dig or anything, you just seem to know a lot about a healthy diet and all, so I'm just curious
Didjeridurian said:Morning Star processed foods create the same health and environmental issues as meat to some degree.
We need to educate ourselves past the commercial garbage. Vegan and veg industry is still just as profut driven as any other industry. They are only exploiting your beliefs and your lack of understaning of helath.
Free mind=free body=free mind...
Crazy Amanda said:im a pescetarian (only meat i eat is fish one day i plan on not eating them either lol) but yea my fiance is a huge meat eater its not hard cookin for us at all.. there r DELICIOUS meat alternatives "Morning Star" brand. ..as for ppl mocking people who dont eat corpses let them say what they want its your decision and what you decide to put in your body is your own bussiness
@didjeridurian
15 years ago
292 posts
yea I have a friend named Barbara who has been raw since the 70's. She is almost 70 and most people think she is in her mid forties.I have been raw for over 3 years and aside from the dramatic weightloss, I havent had even a sniffle. I used to get sick all the time and I had severe allergies and mild asthma. Its all totally gone.I work with doctors offices who send their patients to me for their food.The most recent exciting developtment is that one of my clients who is a realllly innovative financial advisor/planner explored what is called a "Health Savings Account". This is an alternative to health insurance for people who are self employed. You must go to a participating bank and opena certified health savings account. You put in a certain amount of money, usually in the ballpark of 10-50 grand. Then anything the doctor prescribes you can be deducted from that account and it is treated as health expense wo you actually write it off on you income taxes. It can save people thousands every year.So anyway he told his doctor about it and now his doctor is PRESCRIBING him raw vegan food! So now he can buy all my food plans out of his health saving account. He has already lost over 30 pounds and is no longer at risk for heart failure. He is also nearly to the point of full cancer reversal.People are finally catching on HolliannePage said:
lol. There was no doubt in my mind that I could get all my dietary needs from solely fruits and vegetables.
As for your diet..wow. Something like that is eventually what I want to work toward.
I just remembered too, last week at my work a lady came in. She must of been 50 years old give or take a couple years. We started talking, and I found out she had been vegan for 30 years or so.
She asked me to guess her age. I didn't believe it till she pulled out her license but she was 72 years old. I was in shock. She said she was healthier now then she was at 30! lol.
Didjeridurian said:My diet is 100% fresh raw fruits and veggies.
I primarily eat sweet fruits for the bulk of my diet. The rest is filled with non sweet fruits like cucumber, peppers, squash,etc. I eat tender veggies like celery but I avoid coarse mature veggies like broccoli, cabbage, Kale, etc. and I also avoid starchy veggies.
I eat about a pound of greens semi daily and I don't eat any salt, onions, garlic, spices, etc.
When I transitioned to a raw vegan diet I was eating a "gourmet raw" transitional diet with many nuts and seeds, sea salts, spices, and improper combination. As I got healthier and more sensitivie I slowly transitioned to the fresh whole food diet I am using now. In my work I still utilize the transitionl approach to help my clients improve their health through raw veganism.
Fish is a high protein food that is true, however the aminos we derive from fish can be found in a much better form in fruits. Even by eating only fruits and vegetables I still meet and even exceed my amino requirements in a perfectrly balanced ratio. As for "protein" protein is only amino chains anyway so why not just get the aminos straight away without the hassle of ineficient recombination.
Its like if you are making a dress for yourself. Are you gonna go to the store and buy 10 or 11 dresses (proteins) go home and cut them all up into pieces (aminos) and piece together all of the fragments into a dress that fits you? Or will you just go to the craft store and get the raw materials to make your dress exactly right for you with a fraction of the time and effort.
HolliannePage said:I am just curious, what does your diet mostly consist of?
This isn't a dig or anything, you just seem to know a lot about a healthy diet and all, so I'm just curious
Didjeridurian said:Morning Star processed foods create the same health and environmental issues as meat to some degree.
We need to educate ourselves past the commercial garbage. Vegan and veg industry is still just as profut driven as any other industry. They are only exploiting your beliefs and your lack of understaning of helath.
Free mind=free body=free mind...
Crazy Amanda said:im a pescetarian (only meat i eat is fish one day i plan on not eating them either lol) but yea my fiance is a huge meat eater its not hard cookin for us at all.. there r DELICIOUS meat alternatives "Morning Star" brand. ..as for ppl mocking people who dont eat corpses let them say what they want its your decision and what you decide to put in your body is your own bussiness
@spider-feet
15 years ago
458 posts
I'd like to know a little more about using a vegan diet to help with cancer, I have a friend with cancer and I was just wondering. Didjeridurian said:
yea I have a friend named Barbara who has been raw since the 70's. She is almost 70 and most people think she is in her mid forties.
I have been raw for over 3 years and aside from the dramatic weightloss, I havent had even a sniffle. I used to get sick all the time and I had severe allergies and mild asthma. Its all totally gone.
I work with doctors offices who send their patients to me for their food.
The most recent exciting developtment is that one of my clients who is a realllly innovative financial advisor/planner explored what is called a "Health Savings Account". This is an alternative to health insurance for people who are self employed. You must go to a participating bank and opena certified health savings account. You put in a certain amount of money, usually in the ballpark of 10-50 grand. Then anything the doctor prescribes you can be deducted from that account and it is treated as health expense wo you actually write it off on you income taxes. It can save people thousands every year.
So anyway he told his doctor about it and now his doctor is PRESCRIBING him raw vegan food! So now he can buy all my food plans out of his health saving account. He has already lost over 30 pounds and is no longer at risk for heart failure. He is also nearly to the point of full cancer reversal.
People are finally catching on
HolliannePage said:lol. There was no doubt in my mind that I could get all my dietary needs from solely fruits and vegetables.
As for your diet..wow. Something like that is eventually what I want to work toward.
I just remembered too, last week at my work a lady came in. She must of been 50 years old give or take a couple years. We started talking, and I found out she had been vegan for 30 years or so.
She asked me to guess her age. I didn't believe it till she pulled out her license but she was 72 years old. I was in shock. She said she was healthier now then she was at 30! lol.
Didjeridurian said:My diet is 100% fresh raw fruits and veggies.
I primarily eat sweet fruits for the bulk of my diet. The rest is filled with non sweet fruits like cucumber, peppers, squash,etc. I eat tender veggies like celery but I avoid coarse mature veggies like broccoli, cabbage, Kale, etc. and I also avoid starchy veggies.
I eat about a pound of greens semi daily and I don't eat any salt, onions, garlic, spices, etc.
When I transitioned to a raw vegan diet I was eating a "gourmet raw" transitional diet with many nuts and seeds, sea salts, spices, and improper combination. As I got healthier and more sensitivie I slowly transitioned to the fresh whole food diet I am using now. In my work I still utilize the transitionl approach to help my clients improve their health through raw veganism.
Fish is a high protein food that is true, however the aminos we derive from fish can be found in a much better form in fruits. Even by eating only fruits and vegetables I still meet and even exceed my amino requirements in a perfectrly balanced ratio. As for "protein" protein is only amino chains anyway so why not just get the aminos straight away without the hassle of ineficient recombination.
Its like if you are making a dress for yourself. Are you gonna go to the store and buy 10 or 11 dresses (proteins) go home and cut them all up into pieces (aminos) and piece together all of the fragments into a dress that fits you? Or will you just go to the craft store and get the raw materials to make your dress exactly right for you with a fraction of the time and effort.
HolliannePage said:I am just curious, what does your diet mostly consist of?
This isn't a dig or anything, you just seem to know a lot about a healthy diet and all, so I'm just curious
Didjeridurian said:Morning Star processed foods create the same health and environmental issues as meat to some degree.
We need to educate ourselves past the commercial garbage. Vegan and veg industry is still just as profut driven as any other industry. They are only exploiting your beliefs and your lack of understaning of helath.
Free mind=free body=free mind...
Crazy Amanda said:im a pescetarian (only meat i eat is fish one day i plan on not eating them either lol) but yea my fiance is a huge meat eater its not hard cookin for us at all.. there r DELICIOUS meat alternatives "Morning Star" brand. ..as for ppl mocking people who dont eat corpses let them say what they want its your decision and what you decide to put in your body is your own bussiness