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i myself am a vegetarian and i have no beefs with meat eaters. (no pun intended) but i was talkin with a friend yesterday and she was saying how she could never be a vegetarian or vegan and that she dont know how i could do it. i told her about the abuse alot of the animals get because theres just not enough regulations and i mean you cant really be an animal lover or an animal rights activist and work at a slaughter house ya know. i know there are cases were the animals are treated fairly but in the long run i think that is few and far between. i myself believe that if you see no problem eating meat then u should have no problem hunting and killing it yourself. myself and my beliefs and my families belief is that animals have souls and feelings. and as been stated on here before i dont see how ppl can love their dog and take it to the vet if its hurting or cry when it dies but then they can eat a peice of meat that they dont know if that cow was killed humanely let alone disregard that this animal has feelings and a soul as well.  like i said its just my beleifs and i really dont want this to start any arguments with meat eaters but i guesse im just wondering how many of the meat eaters would still eat meat if they watched this animal die. if they would be ok with that. or for the fellow vegs out there is this the reason or one of the reasons as in my case that you decided to change your diet. i once read some where that part of evolution and part of distinguishing us as the higher race is compassion. but should compassion stop at the human race or should we have it for all living things that have souls and feelings? im curious to see what u all think

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i stopped eatrting meat after workin on a dairy farm and seeing the abuses and conditions there
but i could never kill anyting and after stopping eatting meat could never concider eatting it again
i find it impossible to diferentiate between a beloved pet and a animal used for food
all animals desserve te same respect as your favorite pet
and if you can eat a cicken then you should be just as capable of eatting your cat or dog after its passed
for that matter you sould be capavble of killing yoiur favorite pet whenm tyour hungry
but society has trained you to believe your pet loves you but your dinner is souless emotionless wortless except for food
fuck societies training..open your eyes and see your diinner for what it is..no different ten te dog or cat laying at yoiur feet looking up at youi with loving trusting eyes
I know I couldn't do it! I could never kill an animal, let alone eat it afterwards...I'm proud of you and the fact that you love animals so much that you won't eat meat. Now I've been trying to decrease the meat that I do eat, and when I go to a chinese place especially (because of the whole cat thing) I really think hard about the animal(s) that get killed for our food. I was having another crazy thought the other day, though: what if plants have personalities and souls, too? And I know that if my cat went after a mouse and ate it, I wouldn't be happy with him but I'd be okay with it because its the cycle of life...but I myself couldn't go after a chicken, and if I saw a person kill an animal in person I'd probably get sick. I don't know where I'm going with this, but I've definately been thinking a lot about the subject lately!
I became vegitarian about 12 or so years ago, mainly as a protest against the abuses suffered at the hands of man by food animals, factory farming etc. and because most meat in general is so full of growth hormones, antibiotics, parasite medicine etc. I could never intentionally kill an animal. I somewhat follow the path of Buddhism among others and in doing so believe that ALL life is sacred and that I am no more important than any other form of life on this earth and who am I to take the life of something the creator has given life to.
Well said! = )

Lonnie Berg said:
I became vegitarian about 12 or so years ago, mainly as a protest against the abuses suffered at the hands of man by food animals, factory farming etc. and because most meat in general is so full of growth hormones, antibiotics, parasite medicine etc. I could never intentionally kill an animal. I somewhat follow the path of Buddhism among others and in doing so believe that ALL life is sacred and that I am no more important than any other form of life on this earth and who am I to take the life of something the creator has given life to.
thanks for the comments. and those of u that do eat meat and actually would rather do it that way thats what im talkin bout. it takes strength to do that and see it die then eat it and i guesse thats why i wrote this becuase i personally do not have that strength and therefore i feel as though its not for me. i think its great that this post may have made people think and as se said the animals in the factory "farms" are abuse more then ppl think. i been flirting with the idea of becoming vegan b/c of this but its a little more difficult for me then vegetarian because dairy at this point has an influence on my diet such as cheese and milk in mash potatoe but i do know theres soy milk but unfortunatly its more expensive around here.im glad that this not only opened others opinions but mine also. to me i could never see an animal hurt or suffer but i do think that if ppl would raise and kill the animals themselves i do believe that it would be more healthy. maybe even more humane. and i definatley think that ppl would consume less meat altogether. like i said i know some of you that could do all this that i have asked meat eaters to do but those of you whom couldnt ask yourself why? i mean the animals still suffer and die weather you see it or not. not only that but alot of these farms that are factorys instead in reality to have alot of abuse happening they just dont have the ppl to report it. so here i ask you those of you who after this still wish to eat meat thats fine but maybe if u dont have the means to raise it yourself be more conscinece of where your meats coming from. get free range grass fed meats. a little change like this could make a diffrence. and i think everyone should see the movie Food Inc. very education documentary

CBD Makarov said:
Yes. Hunting is a natural thing and in fact, I would rather make my own kill and eat it rather than go to McDonald's and buy a cheeseburger or whatever.
Life, death and killing go hand in hand. You can't have one without the other.
The killing and death is just a means of transferring energy into life anyways.

Animals have souls and feelings yes but everything must eventually die.
After they're dead they give back energy and life to me and to nature so I don't consider it wrong. But I don't approve of raising and butchering animals, that is just plain wrong.


This is just my opinion. If you disagree then don't mind it.
i still eat meat but i'm very carefull where it comes from, if i'm happy that the animal has been treated well and has had a good life then i have no quarrals with it. my dissagreement is when animals are treated badly, like battery hens or dairy farms. with me wanting to know all about how animals have lived comes a few problems, i can only be sure that an animal has been treated well if i go to a proper butchers, i will never buy meat from a supermarket. with this in mind i'm becoming more and more vegetarian because buying from a butcher is so expensive and i dont have all that much to spend on meat when i can eat just as well with a vegetarian diet.
with the killing front, yes, i have been hunting and i agree with it aslong as it is done properly and the animal is not just killed for pleasure and that every part of the animal is used for food. i find nothing more upsetting then seeing people shooting animals they are obviously not going to eat but will just skin it and hang it on the wall, that sickens me. i think if youre going to shoot something that it is your responsibility to do so properly, humanely and make sure that everything is used.
I know probably quite a few people will disagree with things i've said and i dont want to cause an argument, i just wanted to write how i feel about it and how i do things
yah i know what you mean. I have been a vegetarian all my life (never eaten meat!) and all of my immediate family members are vegetarians also due to religion. A lot of ppl tell me that they couldnt fathom being a vegan/veggie but for me its the opposite. I am proud to say that i have never let rotten meat or flesh enter my body. Plusss vegetarians have longer life expectancies (about a 5-7 year difference) go veggie!
we smell better too :) and taste better (i mean kisses not bitting) i wish i was from birth but was force fed meat till i moved out been veg since i wss 16 i think

DreddieFreddy said:
yah i know what you mean. I have been a vegetarian all my life (never eaten meat!) and all of my immediate family members are vegetarians also due to religion. A lot of ppl tell me that they couldnt fathom being a vegan/veggie but for me its the opposite. I am proud to say that i have never let rotten meat or flesh enter my body. Plusss vegetarians have longer life expectancies (about a 5-7 year difference) go veggie!
Yes, I would eat meat if I had to kill it.
I would prefer meat eating to be that way rather than production line style "farming".

I am not surprised that some vegetarians/vegans don't agree with hunting and eco style free range farming.

However it always perplexes me that people who eat meat from grocers, fast food places etc shot with hormones, that are genetically modified, that stand knee deep in shit for the entirety of there lives and then get dipped in vats of chemicals for processing and then again for shipping, by money hungry, unethical corporations, who don't give a squat about people, animals or the environment, and they find it unethical that people hunt and raise free range animals! Seriously.

I have been blessed to know many great people in my life who have given me gifts of wild caught salmon and game .
These people are not out to make a buck or out for violent murder, they are survivor types who snuff the line of corporate submission and feed people the way people have always been fed for centuries, from nature!

So, I think self sustenance is a very viable option for everyone, not JUST meat eaters.
Crops and transporting of crops is a huge dirty, unethical business too.
Well, where i am originally from..we usually kill our own meat, especially chickens and goats.lol, it was fun, i thought it was. I still eat meat, love chicken especially. If someone can tell me the difference between plants and animals, i would be glad, because last time i checked, they were all living things.
meat is not part of a natural human diet we are nit physicaly designed to kill eat or digest it in any way it is toxic to your system
also plants dont need to die to feed you you can selectivly harvest without killing the plant also brains.. the ability to understand pain and death also animals release chemicals into theyre blood during times of terror pain and suffering your consumming these chemicals that affect you negatively


i could go on and on and on


Antonia said:
Well, where i am originally from..we usually kill our own meat, especially chickens and goats.lol, it was fun, i thought it was. I still eat meat, love chicken especially. If someone can tell me the difference between plants and animals, i would be glad, because last time i checked, they were all living things.
I probably would if it came down to it. Heres my thoughts on some of these posts. First with Se's post. I believe we are designed to kill and eat meat. Take a look at our teeth. We have both sharp canines and flat molars. Sharp teeth are designed for tearing and ripping off peices of flesh. The molars for grinding down plants. We are omnivores. I think location as a part in it of what we ate back then. Warmer areas we would have alot more fruits and vegetation so we wouldn't need meat. Colder areas there are far less plants and fruits so we would have to kill and eat meat to survive. We may not be physically built to take down an animal to kill it but we can make tools that can. Again back to our teeth. Why would we have sharp canines if we are not meant to eat meat. I think we are suppose to be both. Then it was about location and now it's more of a preference. The other thing was about animal abuse. I agree it is wrong. Personally I have not seen any videos of what they do to them but I have heard about it. But then it makes me think about the animal kindom. How many animals are suffering in the wild by other animals. How many animals are being eaten alive by another animal. Lots of animals in the wild don't die quickly or painlessly. They are eaten alive having chunks of flesh ripping from their body while the are still conscious. The quickest method to kill an animal is biting its throat until it dies or is unconscious. So think about that aswell. But I understand about the environment some of the slaughter house animals are in. That is wrong. They should be put out in pastures and not kept in a building where they never see the light of day. That has to stop. Anyways I hope I did not affend anyone. I was just wanting to state some things.

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